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Can a non-US Citizen shoot my guns? (MI)

Discussion in 'Legal' started by bigalexe, Jan 25, 2011.

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  1. bigalexe

    bigalexe Well-Known Member

    I have a question that I believe the answer yes but I wanted to check.

    Can a non-citizen shoot my firearms with me present? Are there limitations on what firearms they can and cannot handle?

    For the sake of discussion lets assume the individuals:
    1.) Are here legally
    2.) Have a spotless criminal record and mental health
    3.) Are from a country we are on good terms with (like Canada or the UK)
    4.) Never handle equipment without me present (No shooty if I go take a poopy)
    5.) I am a regular US Citizen
    6.) Target shooting, not hunting
    7.) Are in the state of Michigan on Private land
  2. Nushif

    Nushif Well-Known Member

    ... yes.
    Yes. Very much so.
    I'm not sure about the buying part, but I'm pretty darned sure they're not barred from EVER TOUCHING ONE OF OUR GREAT 'MERRRICAN FREEDOMS.

    If they are, I'm guilty of this crime on many, many, many accounts.
  3. bigalexe

    bigalexe Well-Known Member

    They wouldn't be buying because they may not be staying. Talking about friends from college on student visas.
  4. JayBird

    JayBird Well-Known Member

    I dont know about MI, but I know it happens in plenty of other states all the time.

    I have went to public and private ranges countless times with friends from foreign countries over here visiting. And I am planning on doing it again here in about a month with a friend from the UK.

    I have even heard it is a big part of the typical Japanese tourist trade in Hawaii to bring them to a gun range and have them shoot a gun.
  5. NavyLCDR

    NavyLCDR member

    I don't see any problem at all.
  6. SmokeySam81

    SmokeySam81 Well-Known Member

    Since the subject is here, what about hunting? Of course they would have to take the classes, and possibly get a nonresident permit, but would they be barred from hunting? I have some friends in Denmark who are thinking of sending their son to go to high school here for a year or so, and I think shooting and possibly hunting would be a wonderful thing for him to experience.
  7. NavyLCDR

    NavyLCDR member

    As long as he gets a hunting license and game tags, no problem.
  8. okespe04

    okespe04 Well-Known Member

    Gun tourism is quite popular here in Oregon. One of our local gun shops / shooting ranges offers use of a full auto "Tommy Gun". Half the time I see people doing the paper work to shoot it they have European accents.
  9. bigfatdave

    bigfatdave Well-Known Member

    The answer is yes.

    The deeper question is:
    Why do you ask permission? You don't need permission from your masters to show someone your possessions, whether they're playing with a birdhouse you built, a tractor, a weapon, or an electronic toy.
  10. BaltimoreBoy

    BaltimoreBoy Well-Known Member

    Another gun tourism item: When on vacation in Hawaii, I ran across a shooting range being advertised exclusively with Japanese script. It was catering to Japanese tourists who want a chance to shoot while in the U.S. Amusingly, the range actually has the guns on fixed mounts with a little wobble so that the customers (who are prone to be incredibly unsafe) can't point anywhere except downrange.

    My father in law and I took a Japanese house guest to shoot and also got her a non-resident NRA membership so she could see the NRA convention when it was last in Kansas City.
  11. cavman

    cavman Well-Known Member

  12. fractal7

    fractal7 Well-Known Member

    This was the topic of a thread several years ago


    There is some extensive copy and pasting of the legal code in there, and from what it looks like, its OK at an FFL dealer/range, but it seems like a gray area for an individual to take a nonresident alien shooting.

    Also the ATF FAQ addresses some of the issues here as well. Once again not totally clear depending on the situation. But it says that its legal if they are competing in some type of event, which would explain the NRA rule.

    Last edited: Jan 26, 2011
  13. oneounceload

    oneounceload member

    nonresident aliens can BUY guns, so shooting them is a non-issue
  14. Nar

    Nar Well-Known Member

    I don't know about there. but here in NH we have taken a few of the exchange students from the collage shooting. Never had any issues about it.
  15. Balrog

    Balrog Well-Known Member

    what if they work for the evil doers?
  16. oneounceload

    oneounceload member

    Then you have a perfect teaching moment.............
  17. fractal7

    fractal7 Well-Known Member

    If you look at the ATF FAQ, there are exceptions to when nonresident aliens can buy guns but its not an automatic thing for them.

  18. Patriot1/3

    Patriot1/3 member

    Can a non-US Citizen shoot my guns? (MI)

    I wouldn't even consider that option.
  19. Hawthorne2k

    Hawthorne2k Well-Known Member

    As a non-citizen Canadian with a fairly decent gun collection, in my opinion, you should be ok.
  20. dec41971

    dec41971 Well-Known Member

    Yes they can as long as they are Legally in the country. That means big no-no for illegal aliens. If they are a legal Immigrant (green card holder) they may also buy guns and get CCW. About the only thing a legal immigrant is barred from is voting. I do know legal immigrants who own guns, and I see lots of legal non-immigrants at the range. Popular thing with depends of foreign diplomats around DC. They just go to ranges in VA for a jolly good time. Mostly because it their home countries merely touching a gun will land you in the can. Japanese go to Hawaii ranges and pay a lot of $$$ just to shoot.
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