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Can revolvers cut for moon clips be used without them?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by megatronrules, Feb 22, 2010.

  1. megatronrules

    megatronrules Well-Known Member

    The title says it all but I'm asking about revolvers chambered in revolver calibers say .38/.357,can these guns fire and extract with out the moon clips? thanks.
  2. W.E.G.

    W.E.G. Well-Known Member


    If you want to use the "same gun," you should get an extra cylinder that is not cut for the moons.
  3. GP100man

    GP100man Well-Known Member

    some machinists leave a lip on the outer edge & fit the clips inside of this , if this is the case then you can use it without the clips if not no.
  4. kjtasker

    kjtasker New Member

    I asked smith wesson when I called about the 640 pro series and the rep told me its fine to use without the clips, just repeating what he told me but i'd say you will be fine loading them without. No first hand experience here.
  5. W.E.G.

    W.E.G. Well-Known Member

    I believe I stand corrected.

    See http://www.tkcustom.com/

    Attached Files:

  6. 7.62 Nato

    7.62 Nato Well-Known Member

    Yes you can. And this is where I ordered mine from also. http://www.tkcustom.com/ He also does machining. He's very good to deal with. Got a question, give him a call.
  7. mesinge2

    mesinge2 Well-Known Member

    Related to this thread, can a revolver that is chambered for 45 LC be machined for moonclips for a 45 ACP?
  8. Nomad

    Nomad Well-Known Member

    I had a S&W 627 8 shot Performance Center that was cut in such a way it could be used with or without moon clips. I'm guessing, as someone mentioned earlier, it depends on how the cylinder is cut.
  9. Nomad

    Nomad Well-Known Member

    mesinge2 - The answer is yes. Here is a link to a guy that can do it.

    Last edited: Feb 22, 2010
  10. 7.62 Nato

    7.62 Nato Well-Known Member

    From what I understand, if your cylinder is not recessed for the 45LC then you can fire 45ACP through it with moon clips. I believe the bore of the 45LC is larger than the 45ACP so don't expect much accuracy.

    Double check with someone who knows for sure before you do this.

    Aah, I see Nomad types faster than me. And note both links in this thread are the same company.
  11. smoking357

    smoking357 member

    I have a 25. It uses moon clips. I regularly drop plain 'ole ACP rounds in there and knock them out with a dowel rod.
  12. mesinge2

    mesinge2 Well-Known Member

    Thanks, I have a Taurus 45LC snub that I would like to convert to 45 ACP
  13. Drail

    Drail Well-Known Member

    Some will. Some won't. I have an old 625-2 that won't. Everyone else I have met that has one claims theirs will. Headspace, firing pin protrusion and varying case lengths will determine if it will or won't. I can't see any reason to not use the moon clips all of the time.
  14. Elvishead

    Elvishead Well-Known Member

    I'm glad you cought that, I was going to correct you.

    Now about the 45acp. I'm pretty sure all the new S&W's can be used with or without clips, or at least a few select model's.

    My S&W 627, and my model 327 (.357) can use either way.
  15. savit260

    savit260 Well-Known Member

  16. PT1911

    PT1911 Well-Known Member

    my 608 cut for them works pretty well, but has had some light strike issues in single action, so depending on the gun, that could be an issue.
  17. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

    Actually, they can't.

    All S&W .45 ACP revolvers beginning with the 1917, made prior to the frame mounted firing pin could fire single rounds because they were always head-spaced correctly.

    The newer guns with the frame mounted firing pins almost all have excess headspace without the clips and will misfire badly.

  18. Jim K

    Jim K Well-Known Member

    The correct answer is that it depends on the gun. The old Model 1917 revolvers (Colt or S&W) have the rear of the cylinder cut forward so there is room for the half moon clips. They will fire .45 ACP without clips but will not extract. If converted to something like the .45 Colt without a new cylinder, they would have excess headspace.

    But most of the modern ways of machining a cylinder to accept clips for the original revolver (rimmed) round retain enough of the original cylinder to offer case support without clips. In other words, the clips are only for simultaneous loading, and proper headspacing does not depend on them.

  19. Elvishead

    Elvishead Well-Known Member

    So, are you agreeing with me on my statment?

    I do know of at least the Model 625 scandium model based off the 327 R8 (N-Frame) 8 shot .357 (X8) doesn't need moon clip's to shoot 45acp's. At least as I recall.
  20. earplug

    earplug Well-Known Member

    625-8 45 acp

    My three revolvers will fire loose rounds just fine. Extraction can be done with a fingernail or pencil/pen.

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