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Carrying +1

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by Jaxinc, Jan 25, 2010.

  1. Jaxinc

    Jaxinc Active Member

    Tried searching around and didnt find much of anything.

    I'm curious how many people carry their pistol with a round already chambered, I saw a few pictures already with a gun in the holster and hammer back, but how many actually do this?
    Although it might be faster to pull and fire, I'd still have to bump the slide back to engage the hammer, cant really get at it on my 69 else, so I'm not seeing the need to carry an extra round.
  2. WC145

    WC145 Well-Known Member

    Search harder, there's a ridiculous number of posts/threads on this subject on every gun forum on the interweb. The knowledgeable consensus is that you carried chambered, assuming you have a modern weapon in which it is safe to do so.

    Also search "cocked and locked" or "condition one" for your second question.
  3. Bliggida

    Bliggida Well-Known Member

    With the average gun fight lasting 3 seconds start to finish...
    Takes you a 1/2 second just to recognize a threat and decide to do something about it.
    Another full second to draw from a concealed position.
    That's 50% of your time wasted on physical necessities of human interaction not counting stress.
    So, justifying the gross motor skills of withdrawing your aim-on-target, to rack a round, get back on target and fire successfully. I just don't realistically see anyone being able to do so when your life is on the line.
    Just not worth the unsafe caution of NOT having a round chambered.

    If you're worried about an AD/ND I would first look at your system of carry for flaws.
    Loaded guns carried - do not a BANG make!
  4. Magic_Man

    Magic_Man Well-Known Member

    May as well have a paperweight if there isn't one in the chamber.
  5. Sam1911

    Sam1911 Moderator

    In almost any situation where you're carrying your sidearm in a quality holster in any of the traditional locations, the proper loading sequence is, insert mag, rack slide, engage safety (if any), drop mag, top off mag, re-seat magazine, holster.

    The gun should be loaded to capacity. (You might only need one shot. You might need that 20th shot. Leaving it downloaded is strictly laziness.)

    The gun should be ready to fire -- with only one hand free, if neccessary. Any time you have to cock hammers, rack slides, or otherwise manipulate the gun beyond that which you can do one-handed in a fraction of a second, you're introducing "failure points."

    Further, a gun that is carried with one in the chamber will (almost universally) fire that one shot, at least. Having to rack the slide in a hurry is a perfect opportunity to jam your gun at the worst possible moment.

    To reiterate: Carry in a good holster -- it will protect the controls from being accidentally manipulated, i.e.: the gun isn't going to go off on its own.

    Carry chambered, cocked, locked (if applicable) and ready to go -- chances are you won't have time and your second hand free to work the action in the instant of need.

  6. Ben86

    Ben86 Well-Known Member

    The only reason I would carry it unchambered would be if I don't have a holster with me.

    I don't load the magazine to capacity unless it's single stack. I just don't feel my double stacks seat correctly and I like to insure proper function so I download by one to reduce mag tension on the slide.
  7. content

    content Well-Known Member

    Hello friends and neighbors // The type of autoloader you use determines safest ready carry.

    My CZ 2075RAMI is DA/SA. I carry with a round chambered, hammer down, safety off.
    All I need to do is draw, identify target, aim and squeeze. 8 or 12 +1

    The DA first shot has a heavier trigger pull but is the all around best way to carry an autoloader IMHO.
    You can also thumb back the hammer if you desire, but I prefer silence until action.

    At least this is my mind set for the RAMI( I haven't had it long), 95% of the time I carry the 442.
    Last edited: Jan 25, 2010
  8. The Bushmaster

    The Bushmaster Well-Known Member

    Not sure which is worse...No round in the chamber or rocks in my pocket.
  9. Madcap_Magician

    Madcap_Magician Well-Known Member

    Virtually everyone carries with a round in the chamber.

    The tiny minority of those who do not generally carry single-action semiautos and for some reason are either non sufficiently competent or comfortable with them, which should be a sign that one needs more training or to carry a different gun, not a sign to carry a gun with which you are not competent without a round in the chamber.
  10. NinjaFeint

    NinjaFeint Well-Known Member

    The only people I know who don't carry a round in the chamber, don't carry very often. It seems to be people who aren't fully comfortable with having a firearm on their person and having nothing in the chamber makes them more comfortable. Of course, this does not apply to everyone.
  11. Ben86

    Ben86 Well-Known Member

    What if you don't have a holster on you. Say you just stuff the gun in your pocket or waistline, do you still keep it chambered?
  12. Sam1911

    Sam1911 Moderator

    Some folks have made a decent enough argument for Condition 3 (empty chamber) carry when the gun is carried in a less than secure manner, like off-body carry (purse, day-planner, etc.) where someone could grab (or just find) the gun and it might be advantageous not to have the gun instantly ready to fire.

    (I have grave reservations against any form of carry where the gun could be that easily snatched or left behind, but it works for some folks.)

    Same argument could apply to car/truck guns that do get left (against better judgement) in the vehicle and perhaps rattling around under a seat or in a glove box.

    In both cases, the gun cannot be considered to be "instantly ready" in any case, so the act of drawing (more properly "retrieving") the gun is much more involved and charging the gun would, in theory, not add a significant amount of delay to the already protracted "drawing" process.

    One could say this is going "semi-armed."

  13. Jonah71

    Jonah71 Well-Known Member

    When I do carry my Bersa Thunder .380 Del. S/D I keep one chambered with the safety off. Not much of a safety issue with this particular model. But I wouldn't do the same with the Taurus PT Pro 9mm, even as a bug. But by carrying a S&W .38 spec. rev. I don't worry too much about it.
  14. Sam1911

    Sam1911 Moderator

    Guns that are safe to pocket-carry have some form of enhanced safety mechanism, generally. Either a long double-action pull, or some form of manual safety. (IMHO...I wouldn't pocket carry a Glock, personally.)

    Sticking a gun into your waistband is not ... optimal. If it HAS to be done in some emergency situation, I'd trust the manual safety or passive safeties that exist, but I'd be mighty careful about it. If I find myself in that kind of emergency situation, chances are I may need that gun to work RIGHT AWAY, so I wouln't disable/down-load it. "Plaxico" or "Mexican" carry is not the sort of thing you choose to do deliberately.

  15. maroast

    maroast Well-Known Member

    I carry my CBOB 1911 cocked and locked in a holster. I also carry it cocked and locked stuffed in my waistband.

    S&W 60 357mag chiefs special (exposed hammer) fully loaded.... In a holster and waistband.

    Also carry my Keltec P32 full mag + 1 in my waistband with the belt clip.
  16. gwnorth

    gwnorth Well-Known Member

    Carry a good double action revolver - always ready to go!

    I have a pair of 3" (S&W M65-3 and a Ruger Service Six) which make great carry guns, and, of course, there is a round in all 6 chambers. My alternate is a SIG P232 and being DA/SA with a decocking lever, why of earth would you not carry it with a round chambered and the hammer de-cocked, ready to go in DA mode!

    If you have a SAO auto-loading pistol, it only makes sense to carry with a round chambered as the combination of manual safety(s) and a good retention holster make this perfectly safe. Personally, I don't feel comfortable with SA pistols for carry - just grew up with DA wheel guns so DA/SA is what "feels" right to me, and feels perfectly natural to carry them with a round chambered.
  17. NG VI

    NG VI Well-Known Member

    Sounds like you have the wrong gun for you.
  18. possum

    possum Well-Known Member

    in my opinion there is no other way to carry, mag full and round in the chamber, unless you are in israel of course.

    ever heard of the Tuller drill?
  19. REAPER4206969

    REAPER4206969 Well-Known Member

  20. NavyLCDR

    NavyLCDR member

    I didn't understand that statement from the OP either.

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