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Carter's Country: This Shouldn't Annoy Me Like This, Right?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Deer Hunter, Aug 9, 2008.

  1. Deer Hunter

    Deer Hunter Well-Known Member

    Alright, I like this place in Houston. It's a wonderful range/shop that has something for everyone. Friendly service, nice prices, but whenever I go shoot there something always twitches a nerve with me.

    When you check in the rifles, the "Hunting" rifles cost around two dollars or so less to shoot than so called "Tactical" rifles. Now it's not much of a difference, I know, but...

    My friend pays 9 dollars to shoot his Mosin.

    I pay 11 to shoot my FN FAL.

    Every year I hunt with my FAL.

    Does this seem right? Why is it that I have to pay more just because of the color of my rifle? Sticking rifles into genres such as that hurts our cause, because as soon as we make the distinction we play into the gun-grabbers hands.

    If I brought in a "tactical" 10/22, what would they charge me?

    Has anyone else had this experience?
  2. oneshooter

    oneshooter Well-Known Member

    Bill Carter does not like military arms, gunshows, internet sales, or other gunshops. He wants to be the ONLY shop available. There are other ranges available that do not charge more for them. What side of town are you in?

    Livin in Texas
  3. Owen Sparks

    Owen Sparks member

    Private business can make any rules that they want. You don't have to shoot there, they cant make you. I would tell them either I shoot at hunting rifle prices or I take my business elsewhere.
  4. Monkeybear

    Monkeybear Well-Known Member

    $11 is still pretty cheap for an indoor range.

    It has been my personal experience that military or "tactical" firearms tend to have large magazines and they tend to put more bullets down range than bolt/lever actions. Much the same as I have observed that people I know tend to fire more bullets per range trip from their semi-automatic pistols than with their wheel guns. Without knowing anything about Mr. Carter I would hazard a guess that he is off setting greater wear on his back drop and his air filtration system. I could be completely off base but that is the only logical reason I could come up with.
  5. arthurcw

    arthurcw Well-Known Member

    Have you asked the Management? I agree that it’s really dumb to help reinforce the anti stereotypes and place distinctions on cosmetic difference. I wonder if my Garand would be “tactical”?

    Anyway, you should ask the management why they have this rule.

    There are really only 3 reasons I can think of:

    1) They feel someone who spends money on a “tactical” gun can spend the extra $.
    2) They "fear" that someone who owns a “tactical” gun is going to cause more wear and tear on the range (through use of more ammo, depletion of the backstop, or just plain recklessness [see #3]).
    3) They want to subtly suggest that “tactical” guns are as not welcome.
  6. Deer Hunter

    Deer Hunter Well-Known Member

    Carter's is an outdoor range, not an indoor range.

    I havn't brought it up yet. I've only been there three times. It's the place I go with my friend and girlfriend when I'm visiting in Houston. Usually I go to a range in College Station.

    I just wanted to hear some opinions and thoughts on the matter. And if we bring a Mosin to the range, we are shooting that one much more than my FAL!
  7. TehK1w1

    TehK1w1 Well-Known Member

    THANK YOU Deer Hunter for bringing this up, I was pricing them out just a couple hours ago for a possible range trip tommorrow and I was appalled that they charge an extra $1.50 to shoot a rifle just cause it's non-PC. Still looking for a rifle range in Houston (N. of I10) that does not charge per gun...
  8. bogie

    bogie Well-Known Member

    There's still a greater wear and tear on the backstop...


    Is the guy holding a gun to your head? GO SOMEWHERE ELSE? Or do you need to get a general consensus from THR membership before you are able to make up your own mind?
  9. retgarr

    retgarr Well-Known Member

    Wow Bogie, that was very rude. He wants to check to see if this thing is normal. He never said he would continue to go to that range. Satisfying curiosity does not constitute being an indecisive dolt.
    In response to Deer Hunter, I haven't seen it anywhere. I could certainly see the more rounds downrange theory being correct. I certainly put more rounds through a AK than my K31 at the range. If you ask there and find ou, let us know. I am interested in the reasoning too.
  10. Flash!

    Flash! Well-Known Member

    That outrageous per gun charge is exactly why I will not go to Carters Country. Charging more for the looks of a gun is an insult.

    And I don't think the service there is very friendly either.

    Take your business somewhere else.
  11. 7mmsavage

    7mmsavage Well-Known Member

    Not exactly the same, but a local gunshop has an equally irritating PC policy. They have an AR hanging up, with a sign on it that reads, " You must be 21 to purchase this rifle." However, an 18 year old could buy a Mini, a tactical shotgun, or even a new Springield M1A there, though.? To be fair, I don't know if this is a company policy, or some state or fed law, but it's still aggravating. I wonder if people were as "freaked out" by the first lever action repeaters, carrying a tube full of rimfire rounds? :eek:
  12. Ian Sean

    Ian Sean Well-Known Member

    I would have pulled out every dollar on me, pointed to the rifle, then my cash and told them, "see this? this is the last time you see my money in this store"...and left.

    I did exactly this at a smaller store about 5 years ago, counter person was going on a rant about semi-auto's and the "need" for one. Last time I ever went in there.
  13. VARifleman

    VARifleman Well-Known Member

    Because .223 and .308 cause more damage than .30-06 and 7.62x54R...:scrutiny:

    Physics says you're wrong and fail.
  14. Deer Hunter

    Deer Hunter Well-Known Member

    The friend I shoot with in Houston also goes to another range (although I can't remember the name), so I'll ask him about it next time I'm up.

    And no, Bogie wasn't rude. That was a legit question. I've thought the same thing on occasions with some threads. However, I just wanted to hear a few opinions about it.

    I'll be looking for a new place to shoot. It does get expensive if we all bring one or two rifles a piece then a pistol.
  15. nalioth

    nalioth Well-Known Member

    Deer Hunter, come to Pasadena for a visit.

    Pasadena Gun Range charges per person (not per gun) and they don't have any time limits unless they're really busy ( I've never been turned out over time limits there ).

    You (as a single customer) can take in as many guns as you like, in whatever configuration.

    I hosted some European colleagues last year, and visited PGR with them. Took a handtruck and several trips to get all the guns in.

    They also rent full auto weapons ( they have an MP5, Grease Gun, M16A1, Thompson, M1 Carbine and a few more ).
  16. wally

    wally Well-Known Member

    PGR is a pretty fun indoor range and one of the few that lets you shoot rifles and full auto, but unless they've greatly improved the ventilation since last time I was there, its not some place I'd recommend shooting at on a regular basis.

    IMHO just about any of our other Houston options is better than Carter's range, and a lot of us won't shop there since he came out in support of some gunshow restrictions many years ago.

    I thought it was pretty cool that later his FFL was named "one of the largest crime gun suppliers" by the Brady bunch. This of course is only because he probably sells more guns than any other dealer in Texas and therefor more of his are stolen and end up used in crimes than smaller dealers.

    He seems to have put business ahead of his politics recently, as last time I was in the Pasadena store they had AR15 AR10 and M1A, prices were well above what they run at local gun shows, but its perhaps a start. I only go there when he has a sale on something I want that is priced lower than I can get at a gun show. Last one was my S&W M22A, a couple of years back.

    On the extreme north side of town, you might try the Public National Forest range off FM1375, assuming its still open.

  17. yesit'sloaded

    yesit'sloaded Well-Known Member

    Could be because most "tactical rifles" are firing steel cased FMJ ammo, which causes more wear and tear on steel targets than hunting ammo. He also can't resell steel cased for what he can sell used brass for.
  18. Sam

    Sam Well-Known Member

    Sorry but the only thing that I ever really liked about the place was the aggregate in his concrete floor
  19. springmom

    springmom Well-Known Member

    A bit of history:

    (Side note...I'm assuming you're referring to the Carter's on Treaschwig? If not, let me know and I'll delete the following).

    The neighborhood that grew up around Carter's Country has grown quite a lot in the last 10 years. We're still sort of out in the boonies, as far as Harris County goes, but it's grown a lot. As developers began to build out in the acres behind the backstop of Carter's there were incidents reported. Gunfire that didn't stay on the range, houses hit, etc. Don't think I recall hearing that anyone ever got killed, but still, there was clearly some problem.

    Whether it was the homeowners' association, the builders, or both, that sued, I don't know. It looked for awhile that the range would be shut down altogether. Eventually, however, there were compromises made. The 200 yard range was eliminated. The berms were built better, higher, and with "eyebrows". The lawsuit was dropped, and Carter's remains in business.

    I have no clue whether .223's were involved in the problems that led to the lawsuit. I *can* imagine that, wishing to keep peace with the HOA and to avoid further trouble, he might be thinking to discourage their use.

    It may in fact be that he just doesn't like them. But they bring in big bucks, and he sells them, so I'm thinking it's more likely a PR issue with the HOA.

    Could be wrong. It has happened before :D

  20. CleverNickname

    CleverNickname Well-Known Member

    Hahaha I knew what you'd be complaining about when I saw the title even before I opened the thread. Yeah their policy is sort of stupid IMHO, but I can see the reason behind it. A greater volume of fire will chew up the chicken wire and clothes pins they use to hold the targets more quickly.

    Now if they charge the "tactical" surcharge on a "tactical" polymer-stocked bolt gun that is functionally no different than the same gun with a wood stock, then I'd be more than a little pissed about it. But AFAIK they don't.

    Comparing a 100 yard outdoor range and a 20-yard(?) indoor range really doesn't work

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