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Cast bullet lubricants

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by Kuyong_Chuin, Aug 4, 2013.

  1. Kuyong_Chuin

    Kuyong_Chuin Well-Known Member

    I myself do not plan on using cast bullets much in what I'll be loading except for maybe target loads at some later date, but Dad is planning on loading his 357 with wad cutters. He has had a bucket of lead plus some ingots for making lead balls for the black powder guns guns for years. I have been reading the threads and in other places on different coatings and lubes for the bullets to keep the friction and fouling down when the bullet is properly fit and lubed. There is some things I have used worked with at times that I think might work well as a bullet lubricant as well as what we used it for when I could still work. Maybe someone that cast their own bullets has tried some of these or can try them to see how well they preform as a bullets lubricant. The first one is a mixture we used in a aluminum extrusion factory. We "painted" it on the ends of the bullets before they went into the furnace to keep them from sticking together or to the ram went they were pushed through the dies to make what ever they were making at the time. The mix was hydraulic oil and powdered graphite. A scoop which was maybe 12 ounces into a gallon jug with the top cut out and add enough of the fluid to make it into a thin paint. We would then paint it on with a brush and it would dry in a few minutes. Next is nycogrease I forget the number but it is just Vaseline and powdered graphite. It is used as a antiseize compound in the airline industry but we used it on the dies to keep them from sticking in the presses. Seems like a mix of white lithium soap graphite and ether hydraulic oil or Vaseline would work well.

    Another think I wanted to ask about is I was looking at lead alloys and saw they make a lead copper alloy you can buy. It would seem if you used that to mold your bullets out of you would basically have a jacket kind of built into the cast bullet.

    I want to here what you guys and gals think? Remember I am not casting bullets so it is up to you what you do with this information. It is just some chemicals I have worked with over the years.

    P.S. Warning hydraulic oil and graphite is hard to get out of clothing when mixed.
    If you get it on you clothes rub some lestoil on the stain and wash normally it will take it out. That stuff will take out grass, grease, blood, and other stains out and some Wal-Mart's carry it.
  2. jmorris

    jmorris Well-Known Member

  3. USSR

    USSR Well-Known Member

    My advice: Don't try to reinvent the wheel. Anything that could be done regarding casting bullets has already been tried by the folks on the above castboolits website.

  4. Kuyong_Chuin

    Kuyong_Chuin Well-Known Member

  5. Kuyong_Chuin

    Kuyong_Chuin Well-Known Member

    I was not trying to reinvent anything. I was just trying to see if anyone had tried any of the things I had worked with before as a lube and how they worked. If they had not been tried and they work well it might help someone else down the road. I tried to search the above site for hydraulic oil and graphite lubricant and all I got was errors. Anything that prevents a 7x29 inch aluminum billets from sticking together in a 800 degree blast furnace should work to keep lead from sticking at a even lower temp.
  6. jcwit

    jcwit Well-Known Member

    A lead bullet going down a steel barrel is not the same as an aluminum billet being extruded in a steel die no matter the temp.

    No need to read all of the posts at that forum. Read 50 or so posts on this forum, and go from there.

  7. jmorris

    jmorris Well-Known Member

  8. blarby

    blarby Well-Known Member

  9. USSR

    USSR Well-Known Member

    I use White Label's BAC lube. Inexpensive and works really well.

  10. zxcvbob

    zxcvbob Well-Known Member

    Are you going to size the bullets, and with what? If you're using a Lubrisizer (RCBS, Lyman, Star, etc) use pretty much any of the products from White Label.

    If you are using Lee push-thru sizing dies, or not sizing at all, use Lee's Liquid Alox, or a mixture of Lee Liquid Alox and paste wax (like your grandma used on her floors and furniture) The LLA is easier and cheaper to use if you cut it with wax.

    I think your hydraulic oil and graphite mix will migrate into the cartridge and could mess up the powder or even the primers.
  11. Bush Pilot

    Bush Pilot Well-Known Member

    +1, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Bullet casting/lubing is not rocket science.
  12. tyeo098

    tyeo098 Well-Known Member

    The simplest stuff by far is Darr's Lube

    1 part Parrafin wax
    1 part Vaseline
    1 dash of STP oil treatment.

    Pan lube.

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