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Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by caracalproblem, Feb 14, 2013.

  1. Trent

    Trent Resident Wiseguy

    Can we even get these in the states? I've never even heard of them before.
  2. AethelstanAegen

    AethelstanAegen Well-Known Member

    Yes, and so far mostly to good reviews.

    Why is the magazine in backwards in the first picture?
  3. C0untZer0

    C0untZer0 Well-Known Member

  4. C0untZer0

    C0untZer0 Well-Known Member

    If plouffedaddy's Caracal blows up like that using regular commercial ammo - I'll beleive it...

    But until then, I'm sceptical
  5. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

    Yes, at least they have a U.S. importer and several distributors.


    My buddy has been jonesing to buy one.
    I keep telling him to let somebody else be the beta tester.

  6. Rinspeed

    Rinspeed Well-Known Member

    Very hard to argue with that.
  7. 9mmepiphany

    9mmepiphany Moderator

    Yes, I got to shot one at the 2012 SHOT Show...they've been making guns since 2003... and interviewed the designer. You can the article here on Shooting Reviews

    They are really nice guns and offer several improvements over his previous designs...Glock, FN...and they even have a USPSA team which includes JJ Racaza
  8. Shuler13

    Shuler13 Well-Known Member

    I have one and will trust it until a case report becomes a more experienced phenomenon. A case report is only one step above rumor in the level of evidence. And the fact that this one incident has gone 'round the world only shows the efficiency of the Internet.
  9. ClickClickD'oh

    ClickClickD'oh Well-Known Member

    Well, other than the fact that the firearm doesn't demonstrate any of the tell tale characteristics of a firearm destroyed by ammunition issues.
  10. tipoc

    tipoc Well-Known Member

    The thread is making the rounds. One reason for the interest is that the guns have been receiving good reviews. They have developed in a few years a good reputation.

    A catastrophic failure to a slide generates interest. The pic on page 6 of the original thread shows a clean break. No damage to the breech face.

    I wish they had shown a picture of the underside of the slide.

    The pics that begin this thread look more like the gun has been run over by a truck than a failure due to ammo.

  11. ny32182

    ny32182 Well-Known Member

    OP sure has a flair for the dramatic.

    I held one, not shot one yet, and to me the ergos feel AWESOME. If they made a lefty or ambi model, I would have already bought one. There are a couple things I don't like, but nothing that couldn't be corrected relatively easily from what I could see.

    Actually the one I held was being worked over by a local smith for competition. He had milled the slide to accept a real rear sight, among other things, but made the comment that the steel was the hardest he'd ever worked with on any gun. I don't know how or if that would figure into performance during a KB.
  12. OilyPablo

    OilyPablo Well-Known Member

    Eye protection.

    So the way it's written, this just didn't happen. The OP has one post here.

    The pics on the linked site look like lousy metallurgy, but hard to tell.

    I don't fire Chinese ammo.
  13. ATLDave

    ATLDave Well-Known Member

    Hard steel is often brittle. Soft steel bends, hard steel breaks.
  14. OilyPablo

    OilyPablo Well-Known Member

    Tough steel, or tough alloy with a high enough tensile strength is what you need, not a super hard steel in a slide. I missed that comment, but backs my guess on poor metallurgy.
  15. Trent

    Trent Resident Wiseguy

    Could be a quality control issue with heat treating processes (e.g. 1903 springfield).

    Or, a steel mill with bad quality control.

    If the design is solid (architecturally) but the metal is failing, that'd be where I'd point the initial blame.

    However, this is all still anecdotal, until there's a pattern, or laboratory testing, no real conclusions can be formed.
  16. Wil Terry

    Wil Terry Well-Known Member

    Somehow I smell a rat here. There are lots of cover words, lots of claims, lots of this lotsa that, but He cannot figure out how to correctly put the magazine in the gun to display the KABOOM results......Hmmmmmmm......in over five decades of shooting, having worked for two different ammunition companies, and having blown guns skyhigh in testing I have NEVER seen one quite like this.
  17. tarosean

    tarosean Well-Known Member

    Hang out long enough on the internet and you will see every single type of handgun kaboom'd...

    Interesting sure. Enough to persuade me from buying one if I were in the market?? No
  18. OilyPablo

    OilyPablo Well-Known Member

    Stuff happens.

    Agree on the definition of a trend and we will go from there.
  19. gamestalker

    gamestalker member

    Although I've never experienced a cat failure, I have always taken certain safety steps in the event it should ever happen, proper eye protection is a must! Even decent shooting gloves are my preference in this respect, I like having 5 digits and each hand.

    And if it was the result of factory ammo it only reinforces my reasoning in personally loading all the ammo I shoot. I've experienced some very unusual, and sometimes ill performing factory early on in my shooting days, including mis-fires, and a box of shotshells that were separating at the base, and stuff that wouldn't even chamber. And I actually started the reloading process based almost solely on those experiences.

    But I am glad to hear he has fully recovered and I hope nothing like should ever happen to anyone. It could easily drive them away from the enjoyment of the shooting sports.

  20. ku4hx

    ku4hx Well-Known Member

    Right, wrong or indifferent if this type post was made on a computer forum (or in the comments on a computer oriented blog) with no substantiating documentation, only personal say-so, it would be tagged as spreading "FUD": Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.

    For all I know the OP may be a truly upstanding member of the Pakistani shooting community, but he could also be an anti gun troll.

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