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CCW in messenger bag?

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by The Undertoad, Feb 13, 2004.

  1. The Undertoad

    The Undertoad Well-Known Member

    I was walking to an art class meeting last night, after dark in the woods, and thinking about CCW. I turn 21 next month so the subject is one I find myself pondering a lot. I'm a wee bit excited. :D

    I like full size pistols, but I'm a skinny lad (6'1" 180 lb) so I'm not sure if I could carry one and keep it concealed. Time will tell, I do plan on getting a good quality holster once I get my first handgun. But, if I decide I don't like belt carry for whatever reason, I thought of an alternative.

    Does any one make a messenger-style bag (i.e. the timbuk2) that is set up for carry? Leather would be cool, as would waterproof synthetics. I was thinking you could have a separate interior pocket that would be easily accessible by just lifting the flap. At the same time it would have to be concealed from the side, so that you weren't flashing your gun every time you open the bag to pull out a book or whatnot.

    You could even have modular holsters. Maybe it would attach with a heavy-duty snap, or a system like the tek-lok. You could swap out for different guns. :)

    So - is this a decent idea? Does it exist somewhere? Or would I have to buy a quality messenger bag and get someone to modify it for me?

    Heck, maybe I'm making a big deal out of nothing. Maybe I'll get a smaller gun, or find I have no trouble CCW'ing with a quality holster. I'll find out next month. Even so this is a lot of fun to think about. :cool:
  2. The Undertoad

    The Undertoad Well-Known Member

    OK so I got bored and I have photoshop. In case my words weren't a good enough description:

    The first picture is an "x-ray" of what I'm talking about.

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  3. The Undertoad

    The Undertoad Well-Known Member

    This second picture is a more "3d view" of a gun partially removed...note how it is concealed in it's own "pouch" until you draw it.

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  4. Erich

    Erich Well-Known Member

    You might want to check out some of the bags Maxpedition puts out - there's one that sort of fits what you're talking about.
  5. sharpie613

    sharpie613 Well-Known Member

  6. schadenfreude

    schadenfreude Well-Known Member

    I am already going to do this for my fiance. She's getting her permit soon and carries a mess bag everyday.

    Here is about the best company for these bags. We have had a lot of different ones over the years and these are the best in my opinion. The are strong enough that any atttachment method, Clip, stitch, etc would work........and they look great too.

  7. ceestand

    ceestand Well-Known Member

    I have more than a few messenger bags. IMHO the best thing to do would be to buy a bag with a rear pocket (on the back of the bag, the side against your body, I have a Manhattan Portage bag like this) as well as a cheapo nylon (or equivalent) holster and sew them together.

    I don't like the idea of having to mess with the flap. In the case of the rear pocket, all you would have to do is rip open the velcro and grab. Plus you could leave that as a CCW pocket only and not have to worry about anyone spotting it.
  8. swingcatt

    swingcatt Well-Known Member

    UT, you should have no problem concealing a FS handgun. You might have to change your wardrobe and mannerisms, but you can do it. I've seen people carry 92Fs in nothing but shorts and flip-flops.

    I am no proponent of off body carry. I believe it's too easy to loose control of your firearm in a defensive situation.

  9. azrael

    azrael Well-Known Member

    I am not a proponant of off body carry...that being said you can make a very serviceable "carrier" using a day planner...I made my attorney a set-up for his Glock 17 in this manner for Christmas (gotta keep'em happy..lol)

    I think I got his at Wal-mart for $29.00 and just gutted part of the insides..

    Glued and riveted some Upholstery leather on one side and attached a holster and a spare mag. holder and made a slot for his CRKT M16 and a mini mag.lite..

    He keeps it handy in his office and his clients are unaware of its presence.

    This might be an option instead of a messenger bag..

    just a suggestion
  10. Balog

    Balog Well-Known Member

    I always thought a CCW in a messenger bag would be cool. Of course, I was gonna use it to hold a Serbu Shorty. :)
  11. azrael

    azrael Well-Known Member

    I wonder if a Kel-tec S2K 9mm would fit into one of those?? Anyone know?
  12. marley

    marley Well-Known Member

    Try jandd mountianeering's mess bag. I used, still use one for that. They make bombproff stuff for bikes to backpacks even marley the dog has one of their packs. I was buying them cheep while working in a bike shop. I use the slit pocket with a bit of sticky back velcro works great. Patrick:cool:
  13. dairycreek

    dairycreek Well-Known Member

    Try Coronado Leather!!

    The make very high quality leather vests, gun cases, which are made for concealed carry. I have a bag and a vest and I can't overemphasize how high quality their products are. Sounds like what you were describing. FYI
    http://www.coronadoleather.com/browse.aspx?c=3&n=487461. Good shooting;)
  14. mr_dove

    mr_dove Well-Known Member

    my wife has a bag like that although she is not currently able to carry concealed.

    It is a brown leather messenger type bag. It has the big flap over the top that covers the myriad of little pockets and nooks. The opposite side has a single zipper pocket on the "body" side of the bag. There is a velcro strip sewn to the inside of this pocket and a cloth holster (also with velcro) sticks inside. The velcro makes the holster adjustable in angle and height within the pocket.

    I could post pictures of it but I'm guessing you can invision it well enough.
  15. The Undertoad

    The Undertoad Well-Known Member

    Damn guys, thanks for all the ideas! :cool:

    That's good to hear! But there's some times when changing my wardrobe won't work - a lot of my clothes are tight fitting and I'm a college student, I can't go drop a bunch of cash on new clothes. I guess I can wear jackets or sweaters more often. I will cross that bridge when I come to it! :)
  16. SapperLeader

    SapperLeader Well-Known Member

    Undertoad, I too am a college student, and changing your wardrobe isnt as bad as you think. I did three things to prepare myself for ccw, and none were too bad. I slowly replaced all my pants with pants one size bigger, bought a 1 1/2 inch instructor belt from wilderness, and started wearing white t-shirts or a shirts underneith my regular t-shirts and sweatshirts. I now can carry a full size xd 9 or springfield 1911 full size, with no one the wiser. Im currently helping my brother prepare for ccw when he turns 21 next fall. He cant afford to buy bigger pants right now, so hes just trying the t-shirt and better belt. His ccw choice is thin, so he can still wear it iwb with relative comfort. Its more a matter of small changes to carry full size iwb, than it is any big changes. Good luck with the ccw prep!
  17. SapperLeader

    SapperLeader Well-Known Member

    I almost forgot my most important fact, for size reference on body builds. I am 5'11 185, my brothers a shade over 6 foot, 150 pounds, so im relativily not skinny, and my brother is definitly skinny. So, its not that abd to carry iwb either way.
  18. ChiefPilot

    ChiefPilot Well-Known Member

    As others have said, you shouldn't have any problem carrying and concealing. I'm 6'5" and 195 lbs; I carry and conceal a full size 1911 IWB with no problems whatsoever.
  19. chrisinmo

    chrisinmo Well-Known Member


    For concealing garment try an oversize camp shirt. A little gruge look will not be out of place on a collge student at all. Wearing a button down shrt loose over a regular short sleeve shirt (I'm thinking warm weather when sweaters and jackets will not be the norm) should not be a big issue.

    One thought about teh meessenger bag carrry. You need to ask yourself if you will look out of place having the bag with you every second. I carry a messenger bag qquite a bit when I am out running around to carry books, magazines, other EDC stuff like flashlight etc... I do occasionally leave the bag to go get sometiing in a cafe or bookstore etc. I certainly would not want to do that wiht a loaded gun in it. My guess is that the oversize shirt worn untucked will rais a lot less eyebrows than your sudden attachemnt to your new manpurse which you suddenly can not go to the bathroom wihout. No insult here as I refer to my own messenger bag ans a manpurse but I dont carry it with me at every second and for that reason think carrying a CCW in it would not be a very good idea. Overall I think it is a workable way to carry a large gun but only you can decide if you are willing to be attached to that bag every second. If the answer is no then you may want to rethink carry methods. I also think you aer more likely to lose your CCW carry piece through theft if carried in a bag of some sort.
  20. The Undertoad

    The Undertoad Well-Known Member

    Thanks for all the ideas and support guys! I'm beginning to think that CCW will not be as hard as I had pictured. :)

    That's a really good point about leaving the bag unattended chris, something I hadn't fully thought through. It would look a bit silly to be inseperable from a bag. ;)

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