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Cheap surplus guns - a thing of the past?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by monotonous_iterancy, Nov 1, 2012.

  1. P5 Guy

    P5 Guy Well-Known Member

    So, we need to over turn the Federal gun control laws, and get busy importing those guns with selector switches!
  2. Kiln

    Kiln Well-Known Member

    Part of the issue is that the old military surplus guns that you could find everywhere were bolt actions and semi automatics. Now most military surplus weapons are select fire, which makes them harder to import, requiring modifications to the receivers just to bring them in.

    The days of the $120 rifle are gone excluding Mosins, even good examples of those are beginning to rise in price.
  3. m1dbob1944

    m1dbob1944 Active Member

    True, that is AFT policy. However, remember how PTR got its start? Taking G-3's, making semi receivers. Could create more cottage industries. Look at SMG guns.com, making a semi auto FG-42. Something to think about.
  4. Ignition Override

    Ignition Override Well-Known Member

    The lack of surplus .303 ammo-and if found, priced similar to reloadable Prvi .303-seems to have limited demand for Enfield rifles in the original configurations. Maybe its also their appearance.

    Aren't ammo prices a major factor for many people who might want their first surplus rifle (or consider selling), if we exclude Mosin Nagants?
  5. m1dbob1944

    m1dbob1944 Active Member

    People have fireformed American brass for foreign guns. My dad did this with .284 Winchester to fit a k-31 Schmit-Ruben. Many guys resized 30'06 into 8mm. Where there is a will...
  6. Pronghorn19

    Pronghorn19 Well-Known Member

    With the huge sales of rifles/shotguns/handguns what has occurred over the past 110ish years, there is a huge supply of old used firearms at a great value. I just picked up a 1904 patent stevens 520 pump for $120 at cabelas. Deals are out there, and will continue to be out there. The name of the game has just changed. :)
  7. LAK

    LAK Well-Known Member

    No point in repeating what others have already pointed out. I will say though that with surplus guns, simply do not pass up a really good buy when you see one. As myself, many others on this board and elsewhere will tell you stories about what they passed up in times long gone and regretted later.

    While you probably will not see any more $70 rifles etc largely because of the dollar's decline, there will likely be some relatively cheap surplus guns come along as supply and availability provide. Save your money - have cash on hand - do not wait to see them appear and then fret about finding the money to buy them.

    Study the types, learn as much as you can in order to know what is a good buy, decide what you want, and bide your time.

    In addition to local classifieds etc, visits the dealers and pawn shops regularly and see what's in the offing. Sooner or later you'll score something(s) good.
  8. DaisyCutter

    DaisyCutter Well-Known Member

    I recall the day I turned my nose up at a $200 M-1 carbine. I bought a cherry $129 Russian SKS. Still have the SKS, though I haven't shot it in a decade.

    Wish I'd a bought more than 1 of the $49.95 Russian M44s. I don't know what I'd do with 'em, but I'd never pay the $200 people expect for a M44 today.
  9. SilentScream

    SilentScream Well-Known Member

    I still don't regret buying that $150.00 Romanian SKS over the Mini14 the counter guy was trying to hard sell me on.
  10. m1dbob1944

    m1dbob1944 Active Member

    There were several that got away. However, the one that didn't; prior to getting married, I bouthgt an 8mm FN-49 for $180.No regrets on that either. Love that rifle
  11. leadcounsel

    leadcounsel member

    Well, I have enjoyed the C&R guns for the last decade. Sadly it's all coming to an end.

    I am VERY pessimistic about the importation of guns and ammo going forward after the election. Dark days ahead for gun owners.
  12. Jaxondog

    Jaxondog Well-Known Member

    In the mid '80s you could buy an SKS at Rose's in Durham NC for $50. Yes I would say those day's are gone for good.
  13. oneounceload

    oneounceload member

    What does C&R and importation have to do with things? C&R is NOT totally about imported guns
  14. 1911fan

    1911fan Well-Known Member

    I don't know how things are "relatively" cheaper nowadays.

    That $17.50 .45 represented 17 1/2 hours work @ the $1.00/hr minimun wage in 1960.

    17 1/2 hours work at the current minimum wage of $8.25/hr will gross you $144.375.

    I haven't seen a shootable .45 for TWICE that price in years.

  15. monotonous_iterancy

    monotonous_iterancy Well-Known Member

    This is why when I shop for a new gun, I look at surplus. I feel fairly confident that so long as a commercial firearms sells in reasonable numbers, it will always be available. They still make Single Action Armys, they still make 30-30 Winchesters. They don't make M1 Garands anymore.
  16. oneounceload

    oneounceload member

    HUH? Seriously? A sale price of $17.50 has a little more involved than a salary for workers - that salary you extrapolate might be 15% of that $17.50 -marketing, shipping, profit, insurances/taxes, etc. all contribute - and we haven't talked about materials

    Maybe you need to look at reality in your numbers
  17. Speedgoat

    Speedgoat Well-Known Member

    I think he was implying that it represented the time that the 'buyer' worked to buy said .45. I occasionally at work will think that way to help me get through the day.
  18. oneounceload

    oneounceload member

    Again, it doesn't represent reality and everything involved
    in 1979I bought a new Chevy pick up for 5400........that same truck today is pushing over 45000, and that is after the union-backed gov't buyout

    it is always an apples to sheetrock comparison
  19. 1911fan

    1911fan Well-Known Member

    Speedgoat is correct.

    The $17.50 represents the 17 1/2 hours I (the buyer) have to work at the $1.00/hr minimum wage for 1960 to buy the gun.

    This, too, is relative:

    When I got home from the Army in 1973, they were having a gas crisis. Seems that gas had gone from 29-31 cents/gal to over 35 cents. Minimum wage in 1973 was $1.60/hr.

    One hour's work would buy over four and a half gallons of gasoline.

    Where I live now, gas is WELL over $3.50/gal. One hour's work at $8.25/hr minimum wage will buy right about two and a third gallons.

    Apples to apples, one hour's work at minimum wage will buy a little over HALF the gas it would buy forty years ago.

    Oneounceload--more apples to apples:

    That pickup you bought for $5400 in 1979 represented 1862 hours of work @ $2.60/hr, min wage that year. The same model pickup selling for $45k represents 5454.5454 hours @ $8.25, THREE TIMES the hours you would have worked to pay for the thing 35 years ago.

    What's not apples to apples is that you're not getting the same truck you got in 1979. 350 ci gas guzzlers and armstrong steering, do-it-yourself transmissions, brakes by Flintstone, wind-wing cab-cooling and AM radios have all been upgraded, and part of the price you pay is for those upgrades.

    However, a Remington Rand 1942 mfd. M1911A1 will ALWAYS be a Remington Rand 1942 mfd. M1911A1.

    My point here is that we are working harder and harder for less and less--not to mention the ever-increasing tax burden--and cheap surplus firearms are pretty much a thing of the past.

  20. vaupet

    vaupet Well-Known Member

    And it won't get any better.
    In Europe at least, regular armies and police forces tend not to sell but to destroy their surplus armes, in an effort to keep them of the streets, thus distroing tax payers money.

    So surplus armes will disappear in the end.
    I personally know someone who assisted in the distruction of 10000 UNISSUED fn49 sniper versions with their scopes.:banghead:

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