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Child's Shooting Death Used Against Self-Defense Bill

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Desertdog, Feb 17, 2006.

  1. Desertdog

    Desertdog Participating Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    Ridgecrest Ca
    Child's Shooting Death Used Against Self-Defense Bill
    By Susan Jones
    CNSNews.com Senior Editor

    (CNSNews.com) - A gun control group is blasting the Michigan Legislature for its "amazingly vulgar display of bad timing."

    Michigan's Senate Judiciary Committee plans to hold a hearing next Tuesday, Feb. 21, on a bill that would allow people to use deadly force in public if they feel threatened.

    The announcement of the hearing date came on Thursday, the day after an eight-year-old Detroit child died when someone fired bullets into his house during a gunfight outside.

    "It makes me sick to my stomach that Michigan, a reasonable state full of reasonable people, would even hold a hearing on this horrible piece of legislation," said Sarah Brady of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. "And to take it up right after the death of a child is absolutely appalling."

    "We are urging the Legislature to reject this bill totally and forever," said Shikha Hamilton, president of the Michigan Million Mom March Chapters of the Brady Campaign. "To even consider this bill is ridiculous. People -- and children -- are dying in Detroit. If this bill passes, we are all a little more likely to become innocent bystanders."

    The Brady Campaign calls SB 1046 the "Shoot First" bill, but Second Amendment supporters call it the "Stand Your Ground" bill or the "Castle Doctrine."

    The bill is similar to one passed in Florida last year.

    The Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners warned its members that the Brady Campaign is taking "cheap shots" at the bill, "by using the blood of an 8 year old [who] was shot in Detroit as a result of an ongoing turf war between two rival gangs."

    Among other things, the bill in question will "clarify the rights and duties of self-defense," MCRGO said.

    The bill specifically says that law-abiding people who are attacked in places where they have a right to be have "no duty to retreat." They have the right to "stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force," if the person deems it necessary to prevent death, great bodily harm or to prevent the commission of a "forcible felony."

    Gun control advocates argue that the bill will give people involved in violent clashes an excuse to kill -- and empower the most aggressive people, who will use self-defense as an excuse to end arguments in gunfire.

    The Brady Campaign noted that in Florida, the law is being cited as a defense for a tow truck operator who killed the angry owner of a car he had just towed on Jan. 8.

    Although the tow truck driver claimed self-defense in the shooting, authorities concluded otherwise: The Tampa Tribune reported on Feb. 4 that the tow truck driver is now in jail, charged with second-degree murder, aggravated assault, and shooting into an occupied vehicle.

    "America's police officers undergo months of intensive training to learn the judicious use of deadly force in a public setting," the Brady Campaign also argued.

    "They learn...that the use of deadly force in public is excruciatingly dangerous, and that innocent bystanders can easily be injured or killed. These bills immediately deputize anyone with a weapon to take on a criminal in potentially crowded public settings. It's extraordinarily ill-advised and irresponsible," the Brady Campaign concluded.

    But supporters believe bills like the one in Michigan will act as crime deterrents.

    South Dakota, Georgia and Arizona are among the states now considering "Castle Doctrine" bills of their own.
  2. TheEgg

    TheEgg Participating Member

    Dec 30, 2002
    :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

    It is this kind of clear, logical thinking, and clever rhetoric that we have come to expect from the Brady Bunch.:rolleyes:
  3. Sindawe

    Sindawe Senior Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    Outside The People's Republic of Boulder, CO
    Whats this?

    Gun-grabbers dancing the blood of the innocent to further their sick agenda? :eek:
  4. carpettbaggerr

    carpettbaggerr Participating Member

    Nov 13, 2003
    Tell 'em Sarah! Everyone knows "those people" can't be trusted with firearms. :scrutiny:
  5. El Tejon

    El Tejon Elder

    Dec 24, 2002
    Lafayette, Indiana-the Ned Flanders neighbor to Il

    Does anyone have any idea what they are talking about in the media? I know, I know, they don't.

    Castle Doctrine? Can't they look this term up on google. Geez.:rolleyes: The elimination of any duty (which I thought Michigan was a non-retreat state) IS NOT THE CASTLE DOCTRINE, QUIT CONFUSING THE TWO YOU ARE DRIVING ME NUTS!:banghead:
  6. Black Dragon

    Black Dragon New Member

    Jan 2, 2003
    Lost somewhere in Michigan
    Lets see, the kid was shot when gang bangers got into a turf war.....
    The police have arrested three people, two of them are 17 years of age.
    Everything they were doing was illegal.

    How does this bill effect someone that doesn't care about the law in the
    first place??:confused:

    You have got to love the Brady group. They can lie with an amazingly straight
  7. Henry Bowman

    Henry Bowman Senior Member

    Dec 30, 2002
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    And the MSM rushes to print it without any counterbalance of common sense.
  8. XD_fan

    XD_fan Member

    Jun 10, 2005
    "It makes me sick to my stomach that Michigan, a reasonable state full of reasonable people, would even hold a hearing on this horrible piece of legislation," said Sarah Brady of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. "And to take it up right after the death of a child is absolutely appalling."


    And it makes me sick to my stomach that Sarah Brady never heisitates to dance in the blood of innocent people. And to do it right after the death of a child is absolutely appalling.
  9. Maxwell

    Maxwell Member

    Jan 19, 2006
    Its the logic of gun control. Any shooting is used as an exceuse to make more law, even the shootings this law generates as a result.

    Yea, they also have a higher accident and mistaken identity rate.
    The reason officers are given more training is because they have to use a weapon 10 times for every 1 time a civilian would be forced to draw.
    Officers need to use their weapons under more stressful and confusing conditions, they need to be proficient.

    A woman dosnt need much training to reckognize a rapist or mugger.
    The basics of safety, loading, pointing and shooting dont take more than an hour or two to learn. Draw speed and accuracy come with time.

    It would take more effort to learn to drive a car than to become a responsable gun owner who might never need to draw on a suspect. Safe gun ownership is not as complicated as the brady bunch would imply.
  10. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    Dec 24, 2002
    Idahohoho, the jolliest state
    Yeah. Right. Just like the rivers of blood that began flowing in the streets after Michigan passed its CCW and shall issue laws, and the floods of so-called "assault weapons" that have clogged the streets after Congress neglected to renew the so-called "assault weapons" ban.

    The leftist extremists have been crying, "Wolf! Wolf!" an awful long time in very loud voices.
  11. CAnnoneer

    CAnnoneer Participating Member

    Jul 17, 2005
    Los Angeles County, CA
    Just something to think about:

    Recently the History channel showed some statistics according to which there has been only one case of murder by an automatic legally-owned weapon since 1932, and it was an LEO who did it. So much for the theories of gun control.
  12. Jeff White

    Jeff White Moderator Staff Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    Alma Illinois
    I don't know how we snuck our bill in under the radar here in Illinois. I do't even think the Daley delegation fought it......We beat Florida, Michigan and some of the other states by a couple years.

  13. ReadyontheRight

    ReadyontheRight Senior Member

    Dec 28, 2002
    Minnesota - nine months of ice and snow...three mo
    "We dance in the blood of innocant victims of violence because it's the only way for us to get in the headlines." said Sarah Brady of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.:barf: :barf: :barf:
  14. Solo

    Solo Active Member

    Sep 15, 2004
    Calls for increased security after a terrorist attack are "political opportunism, " but calls for more gun control after a criminal's spree killing is "a logical solution."

    Yep, its Sarah Brady alright.
  15. Ryder

    Ryder Senior Member

    Dec 31, 2002
    Sarah and her lone supporter from the MMM should go protest on the street in front of the capitol building if they care so much. They can't be afraid people will see they have no following? It sure hasn't bothered them in the past.

    I think this is what happens when you give a person 15 minutes of fame... They make fools of themselves for the rest of their lives trying to recapture it.

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