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Citizen aids cop, shoots attacker (multiple threads merged)

Discussion in 'Legal' started by CentralTexas, Feb 18, 2006.

  1. CentralTexas

    CentralTexas Senior Member

    Jun 2, 2004
    Austin Texas
    http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/2332991.htmlTraffic stop turns violent

    Gunfire kills businessman

    Advocate staff writers
    Published: Feb 18, 2006

    Advocate staff photo by LIZ CONDO
    East Baton Rouge Parish Sheriff’s Office Crime Scene investigator Van Calhoun investigates the scene of a shooting Friday at Greenwell Springs and Joor Road.

    A local businessman was shot dead in a parking lot Friday after a scuffle with a 32-year-old Baton Rouge police officer.

    Investigators are unsure if the shots that killed the victim came from the police officer’s gun, or from a witness who, after hearing the officer yell for help, grabbed his own weapon and fired.

    “At this point, there was enough gunfire in the air that we aren’t sure who delivered the fatal shot to the victim,” said Fred Raiford, East Baton Rouge Parish Sheriff’s Office spokesman.

    An autopsy is scheduled for 10 a.m. today, Raiford said, which should reveal who fired the shot that killed 24-year-old George Temple II.

    There is no indication that Temple, was armed, Raiford said.

    Temple owned Expert Sound, 7221 Airline Highway, friends said.

    The identities of the police officer and the other man involved were not released Friday.

    Sgt. Don Kelly of the Baton Rouge Police Department said it is department policy not to release the name of an officer involved in a shooting until 24 hours after the incident.

    The shooting occurred about 2:15 p.m. in the parking lot of the AutoZone at 9007 Greenwell Springs Road at the intersection of Joor Road.

    Temple’s body lay under a blue tarp next to his black Mercedes S550 while deputies investigated the scene, one arm sticking out from under the cover.

    Kelly said the officer was off-duty and working as a motorcycle escort for a funeral procession going westbound on Greenwell Springs Road. The officer pulled Temple into the parking lot for a traffic violation. The procession never stopped, Kelly said.

    “The ticket was written, a verbal shouting match took place and then it turned physical,” Raiford said.

    Temple punched the officer several times in the face, according to Raiford, and the officer hollered for help before shots were fired.

    After hearing the shots, a customer walking out of AutoZone got one of the two guns in his car, Raiford said, and began firing.

    Although Raiford said he is not sure how many shots hit Temple, he knows the witness fired three shots and the police officer fired two.

    He said the witness had two different guns in his car, but that he doesn’t “know what caliber they were and I don’t know which one he used. I don’t even know if they were handguns.”

    Kelly said police officers usually carry one of two different firearms, a .40-caliber or 9 mm handgun.

    The witness was interviewed at the East Baton Rouge Parish Sheriff’s Office. Raiford would not say if he could face charges.

    “We have not had the opportunity to interview the officer at this point,” he said. “We’d like to do that before releasing more information on what actually happened out here.”

    Kelly said the officer, who has been with the department for 4‰ years, is in good condition at Our Lady of the Lake Regional Medical Center, and was expected to be released late Friday.

    He was treated for face contusions and possibly a fractured jaw, Kelly said.

    Because the officer’s weapon was discharged, Kelly said the Police Department would conduct an administrative and internal investigation.

    Temple’s friend, Willie Parker, said Temple liked to box, had a year-old child and was attending Southern University.

    “He was a successful man trying to make it in life,” Parker, 22, said. “He always worked hard for what he had; a lot of people love him; it’s sad.”

    Other friends said Temple, a 1999 graduate of Glen Oaks High School, was a quiet man.

    According to court records, Temple was on probation for simple battery and simple damage to property at the time of his death.

    A case against him also was pending involving counts of simple battery, simple trespassing and simple criminal damage to property, according to records at the Clerk of Court’s office.
  2. Hawkmoon

    Hawkmoon Senior Member

    May 5, 2004
    As usual, a massive disconnect between the description from his friends, and the actual record.

    Maybe they mean he beats people up quietly?
  3. ozarkhillbilly

    ozarkhillbilly Member

    Jul 18, 2005
    According to court records, Temple was on probation for simple battery and simple damage to property at the time of his death.

    A case against him also was pending involving counts of simple battery, simple trespassing and simple criminal damage to property, according to records at the Clerk of Court’s office.

    Sounds like the man had a temper and it caught up with him.
  4. Highland Ranger

    Highland Ranger Senior Member

    Nov 11, 2003
    New Jersey Highlands
    interesting to see what other facts come out

    hope the samaritan, well, was one and if he was, hope he doesn't regret it
  5. Maxwell

    Maxwell Member

    Jan 19, 2006
    Well, my two observations:
    1) An officer dosnt spend a week(?) in the hospital for minor injuries after a normal scuffle.
    2) "Simple" battery, tresspassing, or damage to property... burgalar?

    Sounds like an attack of the Altar boy. A great and lovely man who was just teaching kittens how to read and only beats the snot out of people on his off hours.
    He was hitting the officer long enough for someone to see it, get to their car, fetch a weapon, then come back and shoot him.
  6. lamazza

    lamazza Senior Member

    Nov 21, 2005
    Why?? would he pull someone over for a traffic violation..when
    Off duty
    working in a funeral procession..
    why why why
  7. Art Eatman

    Art Eatman Administrator Staff Member

    Dec 22, 2002
    Terlingua, TX; Thomasville,GA
    lamazza, you'll have to ask the officer. Odds are it's because the guy did something serious enough for the officer to leave the funeral procession.

    FWIW, in some places, it's not only against the law to pass a funeral procession, it's gonna generate some serious passion about disrespect of the dead. Could be that 's the "why". We have no way of knowing until more infio comes out.

  8. beerslurpy

    beerslurpy member

    Nov 8, 2004
    Spring Hill, Florida
    I am usually the last to cheer when cops get away with shooting people, but this one has a justifiable smell to it. I never got a broken jaw and a week in the hospital from a shouting match or even a fistfight. That is some serious hostility manifesting itself there.

    That being said, what is a "possibly broken jaw"? Dont they have X Ray machines in louisiana?

    Yay for investigations, they save us the trouble of guessing.
  9. MechAg94

    MechAg94 Senior Member

    Apr 17, 2005
    Usually the information doesn't lend itself to favoring the LEO so well. Hope this all works out okay for the witness. Glad to see there was someone there to help the officer.

    Typical newswriter formula. He finds someone to give some glowing memory of the guy to put in the article so everyone can feel sorry for the dead guy. He could have just come down the road from killing a bus load of children and they would still do that.

    My biggest complaint about this article is that you have to read almost 1/2 way down the article before it really comes out and SAYS that the officer was off duty but still in uniform and pulling the guy over. There is a lot of BS before there where you are trying to figure out why this successful guy was shot.
  10. Mad Chemist

    Mad Chemist Senior Member

    Nov 6, 2005
    I wonder if it was some sort of road rage incident that led to this? There should be a large number of witnesses, due to the procession.

  11. cracked butt

    cracked butt Senior Member

    Jan 3, 2003
    SE Wisconsin
    I think Art Eatman is on to something here. Blinging car. Owner of an audio shop that is in his early 20s. I wouldn't have a hard time drawing a conclusion about what happened.
  12. Optical Serenity

    Optical Serenity Member

    Jun 23, 2005
    Atlanta, GA
    Off duty, but working a procession means he was there for the escort. You will be pulled over in a heart beat and cited if you decide to "break a procession" here in GA. The "off duty" officer is in uniform and in a patrol car and has every reason to stop you.

    Good shot.
  13. Lupinus

    Lupinus Senior Member

    Oct 6, 2005
    Upstate SC
    Good shoot

    And it is nice to see a police officer willing to call for help from bystanders when he needs it, something we don't see enough of IMO.

    As for pulling over, normally I would be agianst a police officer pulling someone over when off dut. But in this case he had a police vehicle, was in uniform, and even though off duty was with a funeral procession working as an escort, doesn't say if it was for an officer or not but either way he was still working in some official capacity even if technicly off duty.
  14. TallPine

    TallPine Senior Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    somewhere in the middle of Montana
    I'm going to take a guess here that the "local businessman" also sold some other products than just sound equipment, and probably was using some of that merchandise for his own use ....;)

    Anyway, I hope the "good samaritan" doesn't get hurt legally for his efforts at helping the officer.
  15. svtruth

    svtruth Senior Member

    Mar 10, 2005
    Bradford, VT
    Semper paratus

    "grabbed one of two guns in his car"
  16. Autolycus

    Autolycus Senior Member

    Feb 13, 2006
    In the land of make believe.
    So you are going to make assumptions that the kid was a drugdealer because he owned an audio business and drove a Benz?

    Here is a little further reading ------> http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/2335111.html

    The other guy had a few guns in his car. Can we pass judgment on him? Around where I am from your a sicko redneck KKK member looking to shoot minorities if you carry a gun in your car. (I am from Chicagos suburbs.)

    I am not saying the person who got shot was a good person but we cant just assume that he is anything other than a dumbass who attacked a cop. We do not know why he was getting pulled over. All we know is that the cop wanted to cite him. I would wait and see the entire story before passing judgment on the character of the guy.
  17. joebogey

    joebogey Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    I hate to think what that would make me. My wife had to remove 3 guns from the truck so she could drive it to school. :D
  18. TallPine

    TallPine Senior Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    somewhere in the middle of Montana
    No, I am making the guess that the kid was a drugdealer/user because he owned an audio business and drove a Benz, had a history of violence, and attacked a cop merely because he had been pulled over and issued a ticket.:p

    Or maybe like you say, he is just a garden variety dumbass ...
  19. asknight

    asknight Senior Member

    Dec 29, 2005
    I don't know about LA, but here in AR you are a LEO with full responsibilities, whether off-duty or on. You are a legally mandated reporter and enforcer of all laws and codes at all times.

    I say good shot to both the LEO and responding citizen who helped assist the officer in this case. Perhaps LA will be able to step-aside of the rumored corruption and honor these guys for the heros that they are and not lay charges on either of them.
  20. TexasRifleman

    TexasRifleman Moderator Emeritus

    Feb 16, 2003
    Ft. Worth
    You wouldn't like Texans very much then.....

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