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Concealed Carry restrictions......Getting rid of them

Discussion in 'Legal' started by fjolnirsson, Dec 7, 2005.

  1. fjolnirsson

    fjolnirsson Well-Known Member

    Just thinking to myself today. My state is pretty good in regards to concealed carry. Not ideal, of course. I would love to have Vermont/Alaska type carry. But, other than that, pretty darn good. The only places I can't carry by state law are Jails and Courthouses. Bars, churches, you name it, I'm able to carry. No requirement to notify LEOs(though I would, as a courtesy), and the permit is good for four years. The training requirement is small, and not hard to satisfy.
    Other than the aforementioned Vermont style carry, what one thing would you change about your state carry permit?
    The two things that bug me are the lack of reciprocity and the requirement to carry the permit itself.
    As far as reciprocity goes, I can get around that with any number of out of state permits. So, I guess my pick goes to the requirement that I keep the permit on my person when carrying. If I am cought carrying without it on my person, it's a felony. Even though it shows up in the database when my name is run. If it was a misdemeanor, not so bad. But a felony? :cuss: I'm constantly worried I'll lose it, and be gunless until my new permit arrives in the mail. And it's one more thing to bulk up my wallet, and remember to transfer to a secure place when bicycling/swimming/running/etc.
    What would you change?
  2. Janitor

    Janitor Senior Member

    What bugs me most (this week) is that there are the costs involved. In Minnesota, it ends up costing about $200 on average. (~$100 training, $100 permit). For most of us, that's not too much. Look what we spend on the hardware that's piled up in the safe.

    There are people who cannot afford $200. What do they do? Eat, or take training? I believe that up here there are at least a couple trainers that are accomidating people who can't swing the normal costs. Maybe more than a couple. But then these folks still have to come up with $100 for the permit. I know - $100 doesn't sound like much. But to say, an older, retired woman living of the remnants of her departed husbands social security...

    Poor should not have to mean vulnerable.
    PS - I also hate victim disarmament zones.
  3. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    No American citizen should ever have to pay to exericse his civil rights. If government wants to "license" us, it should pick up the tab. If it wants to "check" our "qualifications," it should do so on its own dime, not ours.

    Vermont-style carry should be the rule rather than the exception. It's not too soon for other states to follow the lead of Vermont and Alaska.

    The idea was proposed in Colorado's legislature about a year ago; none of the courageous Republicans, however, were willing to propose it publicly. It'll come back. Eventually, it will amount to an actual bill. The leftist extremists, of course, will snivel and whine about "blood in the streets," the "wild, wild west," et cetera. Denver will have an hysterical fit.

    Maybe Wyoming will do the right thing next. Maybe Montana. I can't predict—but more states will do more to recognize the right of the people to keep and bear arms.
  4. eastwood44mag

    eastwood44mag Well-Known Member

    I would change the lack of right to carry in my state. Kick Daley out and let his supporters form their own screwed up state, while leaving us in safety.
  5. neoncowboy

    neoncowboy Well-Known Member

    I get really indignant about:
    a. having to apply for, pay for, be approved for and wait for a gov. issued permit to exercise a fundamental right. Can you imagine a worship permit? Or a reading permit? Or a travel permit?

    b. being told by the gov a list of places I may not exercise the fundamental right to arms.

    What part of 'shall not be infringed' is so confusing to those idiots who wind up in capitol buildings across this nation?
  6. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    Unfortunately, I can.
  7. 71Commander

    71Commander Well-Known Member

    My biggest beef is the "no carry in post office".:cuss: You're in violation if you drive into the parking lot.
  8. neoncowboy

    neoncowboy Well-Known Member


    To be perfectly honest and frank, the possibility of such intrusion on the part of .gov into MY life, in MY lifetime, is one of the bigger reasons that I hold onto the 2nd amendment and my gun freedoms. This possibility is why I train and why I have an AR.
  9. Trip20

    Trip20 Well-Known Member

    Check out what the state of MA is proposing for it's permit holders. If this doesn't make you sick... nothing will. :barf:
  10. garyk/nm

    garyk/nm Well-Known Member

    In New Mexico, we are not allowed to carry anywhere that alcohol is sold. Period. No grocery stores, Wal-mart, C-stores.
    That sucks. Not as bad as Trip20's link, but sucky nonetheless.
  11. Firethorn

    Firethorn Well-Known Member

    I'd like to see a loosening of the banned locations in my state.

    I really object to these parts:
    Of course, I notice that carry in government buildings isn't banned. I still don't get the 'public park' part. Unless they think I'm going to be hunting with my 9mm.
  12. Henry Bowman

    Henry Bowman Senior Member

    Ohio's relatively new law is a mess. But the biggest problem is car carry. In a motor vehicle, you must carry either (1) in a holster on your person in plain sight (not concealed); (2) locked in the glove box; or (3) in a locked container that is in plain sight. There is no car carry w/o a permit (except locked/unloaded/ammo separate/out of reach.

    Second is that carry in/on a posted property is a crime. There is no requirement that you have to refuse to leave when asked.
  13. Z_Infidel

    Z_Infidel Well-Known Member

    What Henry Bowman said regarding Ohio.

    Plus, the list of restricted areas is pretty large. Oh, and the city of Toledo has already thumbed their noses at the preemption section of the state CCW law. Section 9 specifically states that municipalities cannot pass ordinances that contradict the state law, and yet Toledo passed a law banning carry in city parks. A man who did just that in order to prove a point was arrested, tried, and found guilty of breaking the local law -- the state law was entirely ignored and a judge upheld the conviction. He should win on appeal... even according to the State Attorney General.

    Yep, the Ohio CCW law is a good start but it's a real mess that pretty much makes it not worth while to even get a permit. Legislature has been introduced in an effort to improve the law but I'd say it will be an uphill battle. Yet there is hope.
  14. dangit

    dangit Member

    $200 :what:

    Mine cost $10.00, the gas it took to drive down to the sheriffs office, and the 15 min it took to do a background check. No training requirements. No off limits areas exept for post offices (that's a fed law), schools (again fed law) and "any demonstration being held at a public place". Whatever that is. Although the police must first inform you that a demonstration is taking place and give you the opportunity to remove yourself from the area, if I'm reading the law correctly:

  15. Azrael256

    Azrael256 Well-Known Member

    I would like to see two things in Texas. Keep in mind these are incremental steps. What I really want is proper recognition of the 2A, changing the term from "Vermont style" to "American style."

    First, I want open carry in Texas. I know we likely won't get to unlicensed CCW anytime soon, but I think unrestricted open carry is a good start. It seems to work just fine in other states, and it would be nice, mostly from a convenience standpoint, not to have to conceal if I don't want to. Of course, I would maintain my CHL for when I want to be discreet.

    Second, I would do away with all of the "weapon" definitions in the law. Texas prohibits metal knuckles, saps/blackjacks, clubs, and other such weapons to one degree or another. This is somewhere between silly and asinine. Furthermore, Texas prohibits the regulary carry of "Bowie knives." I think we're all students of history here, so we all see the bitter irony of that one.
  16. Janitor

    Janitor Senior Member

    Well ... we have that here, and I've not noticed any blood flowing in the streets.

    Even if you don't want to carry open, it's nice to know that if you tuck your shirt in funny leaving the bif that you're guilty of nothing more serious than a fashion faupax.
  17. Morgan

    Morgan Well-Known Member

    Standing Wolf sez:
    Don't forget the pesky little detail of the government's dime coming from our pockets.

    I completely disagree with licensing, but if it is done the fees should be paid by the user, and they shouldn't be exorbitant.
  18. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    I'd not forgotten that for a moment. It's just that if government has to pick up the tab, it will suddenly find ways to reduce the size of the tab.
  19. Scott F

    Scott F Active Member

    We are truly fortunate to live in Oregon. Our permits are easy to get and most counties cooperate. We can carry almost anywhere not restricted by the federal government. I can and do carry in schools for instance. We are an open carry state which protects us if we inadvertently let our concealed handgun show.

    The only restriction as far as I can see is that we must have our permit with us at all time when we are carrying. That would be a good requirement to see go away but considering the restrictions from most states we have no complaints.

    Check out:

  20. SMMAssociates

    SMMAssociates Well-Known Member

    Here in OH,

    Vehicular Carry was a poison pill, if not a way to force us to kill ourselves and our friends & family with un-necessary handling of our firearms. It's also a good way to get arrested for just being there....

    Restaurant Carry is a blissninny solution to a non-problem.

    But what really cranks me off is that I can't carry in places that I paid for!.... :fire: :fire:

    I would understand (and reluctantly accept metal detectors & armed security), but to assume that I'm going to be safe because there's a sign on the front door....

    I was going to say "there ought to be a law", but there is one. The Second Amendment. Too bad the anti's in Columbus can't read....

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