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Congress/AWB Watch... be alert please.

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Ironbarr, Nov 25, 2004.

  1. Ironbarr

    Ironbarr Member In Memoriam

    Congress may be called back after Thanksgiving to work on the CIA/Intelligence Czar bill that they couldn't agree on. This, of course, could provide the Schumer/Kennedy/Feinstein types to add something (AWB???) to the mix - particularly since the administration wants the Czar bill done.

    There have been a few weapons events these past months. The (so-called) hunter event was a shock and antis will make some hay of it. (Too bad it was a SKS/Saiga, take your pick) - if it had been a typical .308/30-Ought-6 it wouldn't be "known" as an "a"-weapon.

    I suggest that we diligently watch for an effort to push the (perpetual) ban once again.

    Situational awareness - even in politics. -Ironbarr

  2. Lone_Gunman

    Lone_Gunman Well-Known Member

    The Republicans here tell me we have nothing to worry about regarding gun control, know that their party is in charge.

    We should just lock this thread, stick our heads in the sand, and trust the Republican party to keep our guns safe and our rights intact.
  3. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    Yep, and I can make anybody who follows that course a heck of a deal on some Kansas ocean-front property, too.
  4. Lone_Gunman

    Lone_Gunman Well-Known Member

    Standing Wolf, I bet you could sell that property like hot cakes to some people round here...
  5. Ironbarr

    Ironbarr Member In Memoriam

    Well, until January's revamp of congress, House & Senate Republicans have no more power than before the election. Also - all the prime members of the AWB "renewal +" club are still in their chairs.

    We need to see what's coming so don't let the holidays, weather, Iraq, Iran, N. Korea, Osama, Zacarino-oski (sp. whatever), or other noise reduce our noze-4-nooz... let's call it - Intel.

  6. The Rabbi

    The Rabbi member

    The spin in the election is that guns were a deciding issue in the Republican win.
    AWB will never happen in this Congress.
  7. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    Would you like to buy some real estate? It'd be a fine investment, I assure you! It's 400 pristine acres on the Kansas ocean-front about twelve miles south of the mountains.

    Seriously: I wouldn't put it 1% of a seventy-seventeenth of an inch past the Republicrats in Congress to concoct another so-called "assault weapons" ban, and if it need be said, Bush has repeatedly stated his willingness to sign such a legal and moral abomination. Our elected misrepresentatives fear the voters only in the few weeks immediately preceeding elections; the rest of the time, they regard themselves as our rulers.
  8. tulsamal

    tulsamal Well-Known Member

    I heard a reporter talking about this. He's been around Congress a long time. He thought it was _virtually certain_ that Congress wouldn't go back into session. He said the members will say they "might" when they are on the record but get them off in a corner and ask them and they say it will never happen. In the first place, they want to go home for the holidays like everybody else. The lame duck types are trying to figure out where they can get a new job. And the ones that are staying are already trying to plan out what to do once the new Congress convenes. But the biggest reason was that why would they want to go back into session and "fail publically?" The idea is that they couldn't come to a decision and pass the bill before. Why go back in to argue and ultimately fail again? It just makes them look bad. Easier to publically say you would like to pass the bill and YOU will come back but "others" don't agree. And you are sad about that but what can you do?

    I agree it is a good idea to keep an eye on the Congresscritters but I don't think they will be going back to Washington.

  9. Ironbarr

    Ironbarr Member In Memoriam


    Thanks for that info. Still... it's not a fact until we see next week's view.

    There are (rumors??) that the ban club will push for something in the next session. I know there'll be a big whirly-gig getting the new admin and congress organized, etc., but I suspect that around Feb/March there could be another push for gun control of some sort - Feinstein won't give in easily and (IMO) I think the only thing that would put her effort off would be a major (think "national") need for civilian expertise in firearms.

    Again - my opinion.

  10. The Rabbi

    The Rabbi member

    I will happily bet Standing Wolf $25 that we will not see an AWB pass Congress until the next election.
  11. CZ52GUY

    CZ52GUY Well-Known Member

    I find it ironic (and disturbing) that the same rhetoric that "we'll never sunset the ban" is alive and well.

    AWB died, may it rest in peace...forever.

    Do we need to remain vigilent? Absolutely!

    Is a new AWB (or worse) likely to pass both houses and receive presidential approval? I've not seen objective evidence that it will.

    The renewal was a convenient vehicle for RINO's and otherwise skeptical Dem's (yes there are a few). A brand new AWB would be more complicated and even William Jefferson Clinton recognized the folly of his short lived victory in 1994.

    People will try, no doubt, and we need to keep them in check, but enthusiastic wagers on a negative outcome is counterproductive defeatism that 2nd Amendment advocacy can do without.

    CZ52, out
  12. tulsamal

    tulsamal Well-Known Member

    Did you see what happened to Feinstein last week on the budget? She was unhappy that the Senate put in a provision saying that you couldn't _force_ a hospital, or other health care agency to perform an abortion. The primary force behind the amendment was Catholic hospitals who were afraid of being sued if they wouldn't perform an abortion on demand. Anyway, Feinstein said "there was no way this was going to pass" in the Senate. She was going to stop it no matter what it took. Ultimately she couldn't do a damn thing about it and it passed. And this is before the new Senate even comes in and makes the numbers even tougher for her.

    I don't think she has a lot of power left in the Senate!

  13. Ash

    Ash Well-Known Member

    The AWB passed barely in a Democrat-held house 10 years ago. It won't happen in the House now. The vast majority of southern Democrat congressmen wouldn't risk it, and the Republican congressmen by no means would risk it. Remember, both Republicans and Democrats in the House have to run again in two years. The Republicans in the House are pretty staunchly pro-2nd ammendment and wouldn't let it pass.

  14. George S.

    George S. Well-Known Member

    Even if Congress returns for a special session, the activity will probably be limited to the CIA issues. Their won't be enought time to go thru the process of adding any AWB riders, committee work and vote swapping/buying/selling.

    And after the last go-round with that rider that would have allowed committes to review individual tax returns, I would think that sneaking totally un-related riders onto a bill would be difficult to do right now.

    Next year may be a different issue. While the citizens may forget about shootings and assorted crimes that involved "assault weapons", the Anit's in Congress will not. They will use any method they can to bring up tales of mass killings and bloodshed where it suits their stance. That's where villigance will really be necessary.
  15. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    Truth to tell, I dropped a quarter into a slot machine in Carson City, Nevada in the summer of 1972. That's it. Some people just aren't cut out for wagering, I guess.

    Seriously: I believe—and sincerely hope, of course—you're right; I'm absolutely sure, however, we'd be utter fools to trust our elected misrepresentatives even a sixteenth of an inch with the nation's civil rights.

    The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.
  16. Dbl0Kevin

    Dbl0Kevin Well-Known Member

    The odds of seeing another AWB at the federal level are slim to none unless there is a massive shift in the country. While politicians may be liars, weasels and cheats there are very few that are actually stupid. The simple fact is that there is a far greater number of pro-gun people who vote for that single issue than there are anti-gun votes to be gained. Just the nature of the beast. They are actually taking something AWAY from us which makes us fight harder. The anti's just have a feel good philosophy that really doesn't effect them day to day. Which group would YOU rather go up against?
  17. Justin

    Justin Moderator Staff Member

    Just because that is a sucker's bet doesn't mean that the Republicans are totally on our side. The only reason that they won't pass a new AWB is because they fear us.

    Remember how we all lit up the Congressional switchboards a few months ago?

    What's that bit about eternal vigilance being the price paid for something or other? :)
  18. reagansquad

    reagansquad Well-Known Member

    This is a perfect example of why you folks need to get out there and start working for Dean in 08. He's more pro-gun than Bush. :neener:
  19. victory

    victory member

    I voted for Badnarik, so no matter what happens in the next 4 years, it won't be my fault.
  20. Lone_Gunman

    Lone_Gunman Well-Known Member

    Reagansquad, I know you are being facetious, but what gun control does Dean support?

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