Cop shoots/kills guy stealing her personal car

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I would bet money you are going to tell us all about it eventually.

I'm not sure.

I have posted about this in the past, but I am so sick and tired about the eternal bashing of law enforcement that goes on--on this board and others. I used to think that I was helping to educate people, but I believe that it is an exercise in futility.

It appears that there are some people who do not want to lose their conceptions of LEO's. Most people seem to think that we are imbued with special privileges, that we have a "license to kill", and that we get a kick out of being "bullies".

While in college (yes, Doc, some of us awful JBT's actually have progressed beyond high school!), the practice of cops shutting themselves off from almost every one else was discussed at length. At first, I could not understand why we, as cops, seemed to shun the rest of society--except for fellow cops.

Now, I finally understand why. Flame away if you wish--this is not whining, nor begging for attention. It's simply a statement of fact.
 
While in college (yes, Doc, some of us awful JBT's actually have progressed beyond high school!), the practice of cops shutting themselves off from almost every one else was discussed at length. At first, I could not understand why we, as cops, seemed to shun the rest of society--except for fellow cops.

We also discussed this in college, and at the academy. Everyone thought that he/she would never let that type of behavior manifest itself. But...it does. It's the natural defense mechanism of people who pin on the badge. It results from going from one extreme to another. Intense pride and satisfaction at having 'made it' and gotten your badge. Relief that the academy is finally over. Counter that with the criminal element that the police officer must deal with every day. Couple even that with the general disdain that the citizenry holds police officers in (especially these days, it seems). It's only natural that cops will gravitate to other cops and keep to themselves.

I view it with this perspective. Folks generally view 'the police' as societal 'parents'. Cops are the folks that tell people "no". I think this reminds folks of their childhoods when their parents exerted authority over them, and they naturally want to rebel.

No one wants a cop around until they have an emergency and need them. Then they get angry with the cop for not showing up fast enough.

One of my T.O.'s said it best. "If you want to be liked, be a fireman, not a cop."

Anyway, I apologize for the mild threadjack.
 
I wouldn't kill someone for stealing from me, but neither would I be upset if that person met an untimely end.

Some people's lives are valuable, other people's are not. Anyone that says all life is equal is lying or just hasn't thought it through. Is the scientist that will find a way to end world hunger worth the same as a crackwhore who's major accomplishment is ending up on COPS? Pfft...
 
To answer the original intent of the post:

If the law allowed it--yes. I would shoot someone trying to steal.

Think about it. Not too awfully long ago, there was a time when you could actually walk the streets at any time of the day or night, when your children could go and play anywhere they wanted without fear, where you could leave your doors unlocked without concern.

This was during the time when (a) if a person decided to be a thief, they COULD be shot if the owner caught them in the act, (b) if a mugger was shot in the commission of the crime, the shooter was praised, not sued, and (c) to enter someone's house without permission was universally recognized as a one way ticket to the boneyard.

Yes, I'd shoot. But, it is illegal to do so. Thus, I do not.

Do I agree with the law? In this case, no. But it is the law.
 
Anyone that says all life is equal is lying or just hasn't thought it through
So, basically, Jesus was lying ... Hmm.
Is the scientist that will find a way to end world hunger worth the same as a crackwhore who's major accomplishment is ending up on COPS? Pfft
Well, perhaps that crackwhore was some father's little princess at one time ... or some little girl's precious big sister ... or even someone's mother ...

I remain amazed by the conflicting sentiments expressed throughout THR these days: cops are bad, even when they shoot criminals in the act ... but citizens should summarily execute looters on the scene of disaster areas and that's okay ... cops are bad, especially when they end up in conflict with a citizen after they break a dog out of car with windows rolled up on a hot day in a business parking lot ... but another thread bemoans a forum member's sick dog with everyone chiming in about how important dogs are to their lives ...

So many here seem so primed and ready to apply deadly force against someone taking property -- when there exists NO threat to the property owner's life ... One wonders ... Just how many of these folks have actually had to take a life? Or how many of these folks have even seen a life taken? Or just how much do some of these folks actually value the life of anyone, other than themselves?
 
Anyone that says all life is equal is lying

The problem here is the same problem that we faced with eugenics and nazism. You want to get rid of the useless eaters? Then you will want to cull the race a little more, and a little more...etc. Pretty soon it will be a case of doing the job right and just getting rid of everyone who does not fit a specific profile. It is the problem we face even now with capital punishement (Jesus suffered capital punshment by the way, and so did the thieves on either side of him). If human life is sacred, then it is sacred. It either is or it is not. All of it. Everyone. If you step back from that you will eventually end up shouting Sig Heil! in a crowd of blue eyed blonde haired psychopaths.
 
Old Dog: I aint Jesus and have very little hope of ever having his love or patients for criminals, I’d be doing good if I could get to the level of Peter when he cut off the servants ear.
 
It appears that there are some people who do not want to lose their conceptions of LEO's. Most people seem to think that we are imbued with special privileges, that we have a "license to kill", and that we get a kick out of being "bullies".

Would you accept that some of those conceptions are the result of LEO actions? I've had cops tell me that they were taught "if you aren't blue, you're nothing" in the academy. I've seen cops who acted as if they did have special privileges and I listened to one who stated he wanted a judge who would rule in favor of law enforcement every time, regardless of circumstances. And I've seen cops who acted as if they had a license to kill, right down to trying to pick fights with truckers.

My view is there are good cops and bad cops. But the good cops get tarnished because they often don't make this distinction, but treat every criticism as anti-LEO. I'm not anti-LEO, I'm anti-scum bag.
 
Would you accept that some of those conceptions are the result of LEO actions? I've had cops tell me that they were taught "if you aren't blue, you're nothing" in the academy. I've seen cops who acted as if they did have special privileges and I listened to one who stated he wanted a judge who would rule in favor of law enforcement every time, regardless of circumstances. And I've seen cops who acted as if they had a license to kill, right down to trying to pick fights with truckers.

I would accept that if you would be willing to accept that much of the law enforcement misconceptions are also the result of anti-cop bigotry being spread by uninformed, ignorant civillians who are only happy when they are complaining.

Everyone has a 'bad cop story'...just like everyone has a 'bad shopper story', a 'bad customer service story', a 'bad mechanic story', a 'bad telephone representative story', ad infinitim, ad absurdum.

There's an old axiom I'm reminded of. Most of the time, the child who hates his teacher is usually the child who disrupts the class the most.
 
I would accept that if you would be willing to accept that much of the law enforcement misconceptions are also the result of anti-cop bigotry being spread by uninformed, ignorant civillians who are only happy when they are complaining.

Absolutely, with the caveat that non-uniformed civilians not involved in law enforcement, sure. Not if it's the "cops versus civilians" thing. That false dichotomy is the root of the "blue or crap" attitude.
 
My understanding is that the dead car thief was in fact accelerating AT the LEO, he WAS trying to run her over, the LEO SHOT was in fact THRU the front windshield and it was ONLY 1 shot, and that was with a ball round.

Later at the crime scene (felony car theft) a fully loaded 25cal semi-automatic Italian Galesi (with round in chamber) was discovered in the drivers floorboard. Another firearm, a revolver, (RG14) was also found, fully loaded and adjacent to the perps right hand. (which was dangling between the seats.) Both of the firearms had the serial numbers ground off.

Also, it....... WAIT! I just realized all of the above was wishful thinking, and I don't have a clue if the shooting was "righteous" or not.

I hope it was.

But you know what? Even tho I'm a dyed in the wool gun nut and supporter of leo's in general I don't think any vehicle being stolen is deserving of a death sentence, unless some aggressive behaviour on the thief's part was endangering someone during the process.

Just my old fart opinion.....

PX :eek:
 
Using Jesus's ordeal to rationalize that the lives of society's parasites are as valuable as other lives is simpleminded, in my humble, not-from-SanFransissygo-opinion. :evil: Referring to Nazis in this thread is less-than-simpleminded.
 
Absolutely, with the caveat that non-uniformed civilians not involved in law enforcement, sure. Not if it's the "cops versus civilians" thing. That false dichotomy is the root of the "blue or crap" attitude.

Buzz...you're a thinking man, and I appreciate that. I saw my share of the 'us vs. them' crowd where I used to work, so I can see where you're coming from.
 
Initial Raleigh Police Report in

Not definitive yet, but...
Police Report

Read The Full Report From Raleigh Police

POSTED: 1:02 pm EDT September 2, 2005
CITY OF RALEIGH POLICE DEPARTMENT INTER-OFFICE MEMORANDUM
TO: J. Russell Allen, City Manager
FROM: Jane Perlov, Police Chief
SUBJECT: Five Day Report following the Use of Deadly Force by Officer A.M. Peele On August 28, 2005
DATE: September 2, 2005
On Saturday, August 27, 2005, Officer A.M. Peele went to work in an off-duty capacity at La Rosa Linda Authentic Mexican Restaurant located at 4005 New Bern Avenue. She was employed to provide outside security to the establishment in the late night hours. She was dressed in the traditional uniform of the department. She drove her personal vehicle, a black Nissan Xterra, to the job site.
Her vehicle was backed into a parking space directly across from the front door of the restaurant. Ms. Lindsay Banning, a Raleigh animal control officer who is a friend of Officer Peele, had accompanied her to her off-duty employment. Ms. Banning and Officer Peele sat in the vehicle as Officer Peele worked. Subsequently, Ms. Banning got out of the car and entered the foyer of the restaurant.
Officer Peele got out of the car to enter the restaurant because the restaurant’s inside security officer, George Luis Jaime, indicated that there were patrons who needed to be removed from the establishment. Four patrons were ejected by the inside security staff. At the time Officer Peele got out of her car she left the keys in the ignition, the windows down, and the car unlocked with the parking lights on.
A few minutes later, shortly before 1:00 a.m., Officer Peele, Ms. Banning and Mr. Jaime were in the foyer area of the restaurant. The glass exterior door to the restaurant was closed. Officer Peele, Ms. Banning and Mr. Jaime observed a man getting into Officer Peele’s personal vehicle. Officer Peele and Ms. Banning immediately ran from the building. Officer Peele challenged the man to get out of her car.
Officer Peele approached the driver’s side of the vehicle. The suspect placed the vehicle in gear and began to move forward. Officer Peele fired one shot striking the man under the left arm. The bullet traveled downward and did not exit the body. After being shot, the suspect drove the vehicle out of the parking lot. He traveled across New Bern Avenue, crossed through the median, entered the parking lot of the Caroco convenience store and struck a parked vehicle belonging to an employee of the store. The suspect then placed the vehicle in reverse, backed up, shifted to a forward gear, and drove back across the eastbound lanes of New Bern Avenue.
The vehicle came to rest in the median of New Bern Avenue. After firing her weapon, Officer Peele began to run after the vehicle and radioed the Emergency Communications Center (ECC). She relayed the location of the vehicle and the fact that she shot the suspect. Officer Peele indicated to the ECC that she did not believe that the suspect had a gun. Additional officers arrived at the scene. Traffic was blocked on New Bern Avenue. Officers immediately approached the vehicle. The suspect’s medical condition was evaluated and relayed to the ECC, which had an EMS unit in route. Emergency medical personnel arrived at the scene, began medical care and transported the man to WakeMed where he was pronounced dead.
The medical examiner will generate an autopsy report when all testing is completed. Because the suspect did not have any identification in his possession his fingerprints were obtained at the hospital. The City County Bureau of Identification identified the deceased through his fingerprints that were in the Automated Fingerprint Identification system because of past arrests. The deceased was identified as Mr. Nyles Arrington, DOB 8-13-63. Mr. Arrington’s family indicated that Mr. Arrington had become homeless because of a drug problem. He did have a crack pipe in his possession when his clothing was searched. Prior to August 28, 2005 Mr. Arrington had been arrested for driving while impaired, larceny, unauthorized use of a vehicle, credit card fraud, motor vehicle theft, possession of cocaine and speeding to elude officers.
As required by Police Department policy, the State Bureau of Investigation was requested to conduct an investigation of the shooting. SBI agents arrived quickly after being called and began their investigation immediately. At the conclusion of the investigation the report will be presented to District Attorney Colon Willoughby to determine if any criminal laws were violated by Officer Peele. The Internal Affairs Unit of the police department is conducting an administrative investigation into the shooting. At the conclusion of that investigation supervisory staff of the department will determine whether there were any violations of department policy.
Officer Peele became a sworn member of the department on June 4, 1999. She is assigned to the Downtown District and works in Field Operations. As required by department policy she is currently assigned to administrative duties.
 
Officer Peele approached the driver’s side of the vehicle. The suspect placed the vehicle in gear and began to move forward. Officer Peele fired one shot striking the man under the left arm. The bullet traveled downward and did not exit the body.

Ouch. Not looking so good for her.
 
Buzz...you're a thinking man, and I appreciate that. I saw my share of the 'us vs. them' crowd where I used to work, so I can see where you're coming from.

Thank you. People on both sides forget that we're in this together. If we aren't, then we start de facto social stratification, and that inevitably leads to . . . dangerous interaction.
 
Grand Jury won't indict the Raleigh, NC officer who killed the guy who took here car.

Many here thought she would be in big-time doo doo.

Well, here is the story in today's Snooze and Disturber:

http://www.wral.com/news/6408583/detail.html

The article:
Grand Jury Won't Indict Raleigh Officer In Fatal Shooting

POSTED: 5:30 pm EST January 24, 2006
UPDATED: 6:03 pm EST January 24, 2006
RALEIGH, N.C. -- A Wake County grand jury declined Tuesday to indict a Raleigh police officer in a fatal police shooting.

On Aug. 28, 2005, Officer Michelle Peele shot and killed Nyles Arrington while she was working off-duty security at a restaurant near downtown Raleigh. An earlier report stated that Peele shot the man after he got into her personal vehicle, refused to leave and then attempted to drive it away.
Raleigh Police Dept.

Report Of Incident
Peele had gotten out of her car and left her keys inside because she was distracted by a disturbance in the restaurant, La Rosa Linda Authentic Mexican Restaurant, the report said.
After the fatal incident, the State Bureau of Investigation conducted a criminal investigation of the shooting. District Attorney Colon Willoughby reviewed the investigation.

The Raleigh Police Department is finalizing its review of the administrative investigation that was conducted after the shooting to determine if there were violations of department policy. Peele remains on administrative duties pending the results of the review.

Previous Stories:

September 2, 2005: Police Issue Report After Fatal Shooting Involving Officer
http://www.wral.com/news/4929821/detail.html
August 31, 2005: 'I Fired At The Suspect,' Says Off-Duty Officer In Police Recording
http://www.wral.com/news/4916966/detail.html
August 29, 2005: Authorities Look Into Use Of Deadly Force In Raleigh Shooting
http://www.wral.com/news/4909804/detail.html
August 29, 2005: SBI, Internal Affairs Conducting Investigations After Deadly Raleigh Shooting
http://www.wral.com/news/4906724/detail.html
 
I stand with Oleg. I don't have a problem with the officer not being indicted. I just want private citizens to be able to make the same shot without indictment.


However, even with the dichotomy between the treatment of police officers and private citizens by grand jurys, the fact remains that we all owe a debt of thanks to this officer. Thanks to her, there is one less predator out there to prey on us, our families, and our friends.

The proper target here is our legislatures to lobby for the passage of laws which give all citizens the right to expanded self defense-not to foster an us vs. them stance with the police.
 
some one has to say it

if some one did, my apology,(I didn't read the whole thread) I get tired of long threads that bash police...

Well any way here goes,....I BET HE WON'T DO THAT AGAIN
 
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