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Copper fouling

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by ole farmerbuck, Mar 29, 2010.

  1. ole farmerbuck

    ole farmerbuck Well-Known Member

    I'm getting a bunch of copper fouling in my Savage 22-250. This pic was taken tonight after 25 shots. These were sierra bullets. I'm having the same trouble with Noslers too. All loaded at 38.0gr of H-380. Why am i getting so much fouling so soon?:fire:
  2. ole farmerbuck

    ole farmerbuck Well-Known Member

    That is dark blue (phone pic). I used sweets?7.62.
  3. Beelzy

    Beelzy Well-Known Member

    Normal IMO, as you are driving a little bullet really fast in that gun.

    I would run a patch with Hoppes down the pipe and let it sit overnight.

    Sweets is good stuff but I wouldn't soak the bore O/N with it.
  4. Maj Dad

    Maj Dad Well-Known Member

    The 22-250 is a bore-fouling son of a gun. My brother in law must have used a 55 gal drum of copper solvents keeping his clean. Get some of the JB Bore Paste & Bore Shine, polish the crap out of your bore, and then just clean it after you shoot it. For sure don't leave the aggressive cleaners in over night - read the instructions & heed. I use Montana Extreme Copper Killer if I want to get it all out, otherwise, Hoppe's Bench Rest Copper Solvent does very well. The Montana Extreme was developed by 50 caliber (BMG) shooters with serious fouling issues, and believe me, it will get it out. Keep the fumes away from your eyes, and the stuff off your skin, though.
  5. Grumulkin

    Grumulkin Well-Known Member

    If the bore if rusted or pitted, it will foul badly no matter what you do.

    First of all, you need to get the bore really clean. I would recommend Wipe Out. Apply it repeatedly and leave it in at least half an hour each time. It's OK to leave it in over night. If the bore is fouled badly, it might take a day or two of work to get it really clean. No brushing is necessary. Once it's really clean, it may not foul as before. If it still fouls badly, the problem is likely a problem with the bore such as throat erosion or pitting. After cleaning, the last coat of stuff I put in the bore is Prolix which seems to cut down of fouling.

    I've not found 22-250 barrels to foul any worse than the multiple other barrels I shoot.
  6. 918v

    918v Well-Known Member

    Also, just because your barrel is fouled don't mean it won't shoot. Is your accuracy degrading after 25 shots? Have you worked-up a load yet? Have you shot five 5-shot consecutive groups with it? If you have, try shooting a group or three after your initial 25 shots. See if the accuracy goes south.
  7. ants

    ants Well-Known Member

    Hey, Buck. By any chance, your cleaning rod isn't brass. Is it?
  8. Wildfire

    Wildfire Well-Known Member

    Looks Fine to me.

    Hey :
    I see nothing out of line about that..
    I did moly my own without the wax and almost eliminated that. But , I still see no harm done ..

    If it still shoots accurately it is fine. Some of my rifles like being slightly dirty. I have one in .223 that really wants to be very clean but that one is about it. the rest all shoot very well slightly dirty. :)
  9. Afy

    Afy Well-Known Member

    My Savage LPRV in .22-250 fouls like crazy as well. However I can get the fouling out using KG-12 easily.
    Look up KG 12, it makes every other solvent look like water by comparision.
  10. ole farmerbuck

    ole farmerbuck Well-Known Member

    Nope, its a fiber rod. As i run more patches through it, they eventually turn white.
  11. ole farmerbuck

    ole farmerbuck Well-Known Member

    I will try again today if i have time. I do know the other day i benched it and had it grouping good. Shot it about 15 times. Go to the p-dog town and well, i couldnt hit anything to speak of. Bring it back to the bench and they are hitting everywhere but the bullseye. I dont think its the shooter because i had my shooting partner in on this with me. He's a good shot and couldnt hit much either.
    I dont leave the sweets in very long, just long enough to run patches back and forth then a jag to finish cleaning.
    I have wipe out but when i tried it i didnt think much of it. I did it the way the lady on the phone instructed me.
    I know a gunsmith and my neighbor can shoot their 22-250's 100 times and not have the fouling i get. I cleaned my neighbor for him just to see. He had shot at least 60 times and i got NO sign of copper. I also have a Ruger with a heavey barrel and, well, i'd hate to say how little it used to get cleaned and never had trouble with it hitting anything. Guess i'll send it to Savage and have them check it out.
  12. ole farmerbuck

    ole farmerbuck Well-Known Member

    Soooo, if i replace the barrel with a heavier barrel, what brand should i get? Any suggeations? I'm sure there are many choices and i have never done this but i am thinking about it.
  13. Afy

    Afy Well-Known Member

    Check the scope rings are on tight.
    How many rounds do you have through it?
  14. 243winxb

    243winxb Well-Known Member

    Change powder, get rid of H380
  15. Grumulkin

    Grumulkin Well-Known Member

    The powder you use has nothing to do with the fouling.

    I wouldn't go with a heavier barrel unless you wish to do stock work. I would go with whatever barrel Savage uses as they have a good reputation for accuracy. In fact, Savage barrels are some of the easier ones to change so if you have some mechanical aptitude you could probably do it yourself.
  16. _N4Z_

    _N4Z_ Well-Known Member

    I will second the motion given about KG-12.

    Nothing compares for removing copper, and I have used many different solvents.
  17. Werewolf

    Werewolf Well-Known Member

    Lots of good suggestion here about how to get rid of the copper fouling but not many on how to prevent it.

    What bullet are you using at what diameter (measured by you not what the mfg says). Have you slugged your barrel and measured the land and groove dimensions. If your barrel is on the small side of the nominal spec and the bullets you're using are on the high side of the nominal spec you will experience copper fouling sooner than what would be considered normal. Are you using FMJ or plated bullets? 22-250 can be loaded up to 4000 FPS and that will cause copper fouling quicker than loading them at 3750 or 3800 for example.

    Is the fouling thruout the barrel or just at the chamber end?

    Discover the root cause of the fouling and you'll know right off how to eliminate or reduce it.
  18. JDGray

    JDGray Well-Known Member

    Savages are accurate, but known to have rough barrels. Shillen, PacNor, will sell you a hand lapped match barrel for $300+:) A plastic brush, and jag are needed for using copper solvent, or you'll get false positives on your patch. If your handloading, maybe change it up, or try some good factory ammo.
  19. 308win

    308win Well-Known Member

    Two thoughts: 1) you said you finished with a jag, is it brass (I notice you are using a fiber cleaning rod I believe you said); 2) check your scope - see if it will shoot a square. I had a rifle that I could not get to group until I swaped scopes.
  20. ole farmerbuck

    ole farmerbuck Well-Known Member

    I'm getting ready to post a couple of pics of targets so hold on, takes this old man a few mins. :)

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