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Cops confiscate firearms anticipating guy might go postal.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by harmonic, Mar 10, 2010.

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  1. harmonic

    harmonic member


    Concerns about an Oregon Department of Transportation employee who purchased several guns after being placed on leave prompted law enforcement across Southern Oregon to step in.

    Negotiators and a SWAT team from Medford police safely took a man — whose name wasn't released — into protective custody Monday morning in the 500 block of Effie Street, Medford police said in a news release.

    He was taken to Rogue Valley Medical Center for a mental-health evaluation.

    The man recently had been placed on administrative leave from his job and was "very disgruntled," the news release said.

    ODOT Communications Director Patrick Cooney said there were administrative, personnel matters involved that limited what the department could discuss.

    However, the state agency had reported concerns about the man to law enforcement agencies, who started monitoring him, officials said.

    "We had concerning information regarding a personnel issue and were watching the subject," Jackson County Sheriff Mike Winters said.

    In two days, the man bought a Heckler & Koch .45-caliber universal self-loading handgun, a Walther .380-caliber handgun and an AK-47 assault rifle, Medford police Lt. Bob Hansen said. All of those firearms were purchased legally, with required record checks by the Oregon State Police.

    Authorities were "extremely concerned" that the man may have been planning to retaliate against his employers, the news release said.

    "Instead of being reactive, we took a proactive approach," OSP Sgt. Jeff Proulx said.

    Douglas and Jackson County sheriff's departments, OSP officers based in both counties and police in Medford and Roseburg collaborated, he said.

    Medford police watched the man's home overnight, starting at about 9 p.m. Sunday, Hansen said.

    Because he was known to have weapons, police wanted to defuse the situation and ensure the man wasn't a danger to himself or others before the neighborhood awakened and people started their daily activities, Hansen said.

    Medford's hostage negotiators and SWAT team were called in at 3 a.m. Monday and arrived on the scene at about 5:45 a.m., he said.

    About a dozen officers responded. They closed the street for about an hour and evacuated three homes to protect neighbors and prevent bystanders from gathering, he said.

    After a phone conversation with negotiators, the man — who was alone in the home — agreed to come out, Hansen said.

    Police seized the recently purchased firearms, as well as another .45-caliber Heckler & Koch handgun and a 12-gauge shotgun. Police are holding the weapons for safekeeping, but no criminal charges have been filed.
  2. WestEnd65

    WestEnd65 Well-Known Member

    So what exactly was this guy being charged with?
  3. 7.62 Nato

    7.62 Nato Well-Known Member

    There haven't been any charges. They're just "holding them for him".
  4. harmonic

    harmonic member

    Nothing. They just took his guns. So in Oregon cops don't have to have probable cause and don't have to charge you with anything. If they just decide you might do something wrong they can get your guns.

    Or else I'm not reading the article right.
  5. acdodd

    acdodd Well-Known Member

    Sounds like he could use a GOOD lawyer fast.
    I wonder why the cops don't confiscate all the car keys at the bars just to be safe.
  6. paintballdude902

    paintballdude902 Well-Known Member

    how is this legal?
  7. Noxx

    Noxx Well-Known Member

    Sounds like they pulled a 5150 pysch hold on the guy, where that allows searching his home and confiscating property is beyond me.
  8. rm23

    rm23 Well-Known Member

    Future murder 2nd degree. These cops are using the machine from Minority Report.
  9. Zoidberg523

    Zoidberg523 Well-Known Member

  10. nathan

    nathan Well-Known Member

    Wow , this man must be showing unstable behavior prior to the raid. Tell tale signs of impending doom. Oh well, we hope they are right or else if the guy wins in court he could end up gettng taxpayers money.
  11. glockman19

    glockman19 Well-Known Member

    A pre-emptive arrest?

    Sounds like his rights were violated big time.
  12. ants

    ants Well-Known Member

    This same thread just got closed on Legal.
    Better find a good way to keep it THR related if we want it to stay open.

    As with everything in the press, I bet we're not getting the full story (these days it's too hard for me to jump to conclusions after reading just one article). Anyone have more comprehensive information to share?
  13. ants

    ants Well-Known Member

    Well, they almost got it right.

    The HK USP is the Unversal Self-loading Pistol.
  14. MarineOne

    MarineOne Well-Known Member

    There has to be more to this story. If he came out peacefully after a simple phone call then I would suspect he's not as "disgruntled" as they were making him out to be. It could be a 5150 call, but theres too much that doesn't make sense.

    Either way, he should definately get a lawyer.

  15. cchris

    cchris Well-Known Member

    DUI = $, otherwise the crooked ones in the city where I grew up wouldn't park a block away from the bar and wait for people to get on the road before stopping them. That's besides the point.

    I suppose every time someone is fired, they should prevent them from purchasing a cutlery set from Bed, Bath, and Beyond as well?
  16. N003k

    N003k Well-Known Member

    Alright, I'll grant based on THAT STORY, this sounds real bad, however, I somehow doubt that they fired the guy, and then just randomly called the cops on him.

    I have a feeling he was making some type of threats, and, depending on just what those threats WERE, and how they were presented, this might have been a good move.

    Also, granted if that's NOT the case, then yea, this is a real bad situation, and hopefully some police learn that you CAN'T make arrests just because you think without any basis someone may at some point commit a crime. I just really don't personally think this move was made without some basis behind it, only time will tell for sure though.
  17. Oregun89

    Oregun89 Well-Known Member

    I used to live there, my uncle is a MPD officer, i'll have to ask his take on the whole thing. Hopefully there's some info missing from this story.
  18. toivo

    toivo Well-Known Member

    I see only a few possibilities here. Either

    1. the guy has a history, either of violent felonies or serious mental illness; or
    2. the guy made explicit threats of violence; or
    3. the guy is going to get a lawyer and sue their asses off.
  19. PTK

    PTK Well-Known Member

    Seems about right, yep.

    I just cannot bear the thought of the USA turning into a place where one can be arrested "just in case".
  20. RS14

    RS14 Well-Known Member

    It seems to me that if he has done nothing wrong, the protective custody is a bit more significant than the confiscation of weapons. Generally police can hold you for some amount of time without filing charges; maybe that amount of time is excessive, but it's not new. At time of printing, he had only been in custody for ~20 hours.

    He'll also, presumably, get the benefit of due process. If released, he'll presumably be able to recover his weapons. Save your outrage until he's denied due process, or a speedy trial, or released without his weapons.

    For all we know, he made previous violent threats, possibly the cause for his leave. If charges have not yet been fired, the newspaper may be reluctant to print such allegations to avoid libel suits.
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