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CQB multidimensional targeting system

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by zollen, May 17, 2011.

  1. zollen

    zollen Well-Known Member

    Here is the overview diagram


    Basic idea
    It is an image relaying device which accepts image from the scope/sight viewfinder and relaying the image to the back monitor and two sides monitor. More advance model would have sensor for determining self position and dynamically turn on only one viewer at any time. It would be even better to achieve multiple reflections with nothing but lens, mirrors and additional light sources.

    Here is a scenario
    Imagine yourself getting pindown on a ground beind an obstacle during a gun battle, you could not stand up and you are unable to line up yourself with your rifle. You could only expose your rifle just above the obstacle to initiate a suppressed fire.
    With the side monitor/viewer, you are able to clearly see your enemies have retreated behind their covers, now you take your time to aim carefully with your side monitor without exposing yourself....
    Last edited: May 17, 2011
  2. tyeo098

    tyeo098 Well-Known Member

    Didnt Russia make a PPsH with a curved barrel for just this?
  3. bigalexe

    bigalexe Well-Known Member

    The trick would be setting up the mirrors and prisms just right to split the image. Then pray they stay in place through thousands of rounds of firing and you dropping the gun as you dive behind previously mentioned cover.

    I would also question whether the added mass of such an item would outweigh the niche usefulness.

    There is definitely a workable concept there, the question is whether it is so useful as to warrant actually carrying it.
  4. Erik

    Erik Well-Known Member

    A triple optical image splitter of sufficient dimension that retains optical clarity? Good luck with that.
  5. kmcintosh78

    kmcintosh78 Well-Known Member

    Good idea. If perfected would aid in getting away from tunnel vision.
  6. zollen

    zollen Well-Known Member

    Samson AngleSight

    Review of this product

    The obvious advantages of the AngleSight design are simple, robust, shockproof and require no external power. However the limitation is also because it is a simple design: You have no control of how much light go into each port when looking through a dark/shade area through the rear port. Another drawback is the field of view is rather limited.

    It would seems a more complex solution is needed to address these issues. One of the solution is integrating electronic and additional lens to balance the lights into these two ports. But I would not know how to address the limited field of view problem.

    Another solution (my first post) is to utilize 100% electronic imaging system (with real time image enhancing capability and may be even high speed recording), should be able to address these issue. However the power requirement and durability of such a device would need further thoughts and examinations to better understand the problem. Perhaps the power source could be concealed in a rifle stock....

    I still think zero manual manipulation is an important requirement in a CQB where every microsecond count. This feature could be easily implemented by the proposed electronic imaging system.
    Last edited: May 18, 2011
  7. Shawn Dodson

    Shawn Dodson Well-Known Member

    Just glue a freakin' mirror to the inside surface of a flip type scope cover.
  8. pockets

    pockets Well-Known Member

    And Germany had the StG-44's Krummlauf (curved barrel with a mounted mirror)
    The USA made an M3 grease gun version also.

    What about the IDF's CornerShot?
    China's HD-66 and CF-06.
    Not to mention WWI; Australia's Sergeant William Beech 'periscope rifle' and the Dutch M.95 Trench rifle.

    I'm sure there have been a plethora of others.
  9. zollen

    zollen Well-Known Member

    The possibility of developing a new style of gun fighting

    This device would allow a new gun fighting style that previous would not be possible. Imagine continuous zeroing on target while viewing angle rapidly changing, then one could practice on targets shooting continuously while quickly moving behind a cover in the shortest amount of time.
  10. vaupet

    vaupet Well-Known Member

    At Germanys IWA an israelian firm called CAA presented this thing, just last month
  11. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

    Solid state camera/sights are too fragile and subject to power consumption problems.

    A robust flip up angled reflector would perform as well at a fraction of the weight and cost for the rare application.

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