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Critique this SHTF grab bag.

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by Slimjim, Aug 13, 2007.

  1. Slimjim

    Slimjim Well-Known Member

    Now i like my sig as much as the next guy, but if the SHTF, and i had to grab one bag of gear with a pistol in it, i believe id have to grab this.

    A bag containing:

    1 Glock 17 pistol.
    1 Cleaning kit
    1 spare parts kit
    5 Glock 18 33 rd mags
    5 17 rd high capacity mags.
  2. bannockburn

    bannockburn Well-Known Member

    I'd ditch the 33 rounders. Unless you envision some sort of massive firefight, which would be best served with an AR or some sort of crew served weapon, those high cap mags are waste of time, money, and ammo. I'd say pack more ammo, (you need 250 rounds with your current set up), get an AR for your primary weapon, and avoid any kind of firefight till you reach your destination. Other than that, I think the Glock is an excellent choice and will serve you well.
  3. Slimjim

    Slimjim Well-Known Member

    *nods*the 33 rd mags were just for easier ammo storage, could be broken down for ammo for the 17's, but in a pinch could be used as another magazine in the gun.
  4. groundedclk

    groundedclk Member

    I have been designing a grab bag for awhile now, and still just havent put it together. Now a glock is a great choice due to the reliability and finish, unlike my favorite Sigs.(on finish only is it superior).

    First question is how well do you shoot the G17? What kind of sights does it have?
    What do you mean by parts kit? Whats in it?
    Wheres the flashlight? Extra batteries?
    First aid kit?

    I could go on, but can you give a better description on what you want to prepare for. Also the first poster was on the money, a long gun should be your first weapon in that bag. Unless your looking for a concealable setup.
  5. bamabluesman

    bamabluesman Well-Known Member

    I'm curious as to just what situation you think you need this grab bag for? You must have just finished watching red dawn or something. Were not gonna get invaded it was only a movie.
  6. armed85

    armed85 Well-Known Member

    Sometimes an individual would like to harm you, thus the possible need to flee. It depends on the circumstances, but it's just an inexpensive way to be prepared for the unlikely worst case scenario, or as the OP put it, when the fecal matter hits the rotating isolator.

    Think of a natural disaster or terrorist act that would make your home inhabitable. Depending on where you live, flood waters can rise very quickly and terrorist acts are unpredictable and could target water supplies, food supplies, etc.
  7. sm

    sm member

    While I had CCW and all, having a grab bag to answer a Alarm with contact numbers, smokes, lighters/matches, coffee, Tylenol, latex gloves, basic shaving kit, sinus meds and most times a bone stock Colt 1911 and a couple of spare 7 round mags worked fine.

    Arrive and see all hell broke loose, going to be a long night with Police, Insurance Investigators, Alarm and Locksmith/Safe folks. Glass company getting a new front plate window, door...

    Fun times.

    Can of Spam, Instant Tang, soup, or some kind snacks not a bad idea.

    Like I said, fun times and it can be a long night before one of the cops or whoever can bring in some food, or another employee / friend comes to babysit with you.

    Kel-Tec P-11 and his/her toliet kit and items above are in some bags I know of.
    One used when a family emergency hit and they flew in in a hurry and did not even want to deal with TSA.
    Straight from airport to hospital and a bag presented for them to use while in town.

    I always seem to snag the latex gloves and Tylenol right off the bat out of one...
    Oil of Wintergreen is not a bad idea.
    The smell of fire tends to get to nostrils...dab the oil on a cloth.
    I added a surgical mask to one bag I kept handy...

    Not fun arriving to see something on fire, and having to mess with the aftermath...
    Was not expecting the Alarm call to be that of a fire...
  8. 30 cal slob

    30 cal slob Well-Known Member

    mine is similar, though I have thrown in a flashlight and one set of spare batteries.

    in a month or so i'll be adding concealable body armor to that grab bag.
  9. joab

    joab Well-Known Member

    A couple of years ago we had an9ther new member make those same types of comments about BOBs
    A week later Katrina hit
    Don't ridicule what you don't understand, a smart man would sit back and learn

    I have three grab bags, all with 1911s with five mags 2 have .38 snubs with one extra speed loader
  10. Onmilo

    Onmilo Well-Known Member

    I have to say, I have absolutely nothing against Glock pistols, own four myself and am looking for a Model 20 10mm right now.

    What the heck do you need with the 33 round magazines and why don't you have any ammo?

    Three loaded 17 round magazines, two empty 17 shooters as spares and five boxes of ball ammo would do you fine.

    If you get in a situation where you think you need 33 round magazines in the gun and you stick around to find out for sure, take my word for this.
    You ain't gonna make it out.
  11. AirForceShooter

    AirForceShooter Well-Known Member

    You need a .22 rifle.

  12. CWL

    CWL Well-Known Member

    Have any of you guys ever had to 'hump' a pack for more than 10 miles? Everyone needs to weigh their bags to see how much they will weigh. 250-300 rounds of pistol ammo? Try cell phone, extra battery, copies of all your important documents, medicines, extra socks, dry foods, water purification system -these would still weigh less than that ammo.

    Getting into a prolonged firefight with a pistol is pure fantasy.
    If you live anywhere where you have to deal with 2-legged predators, then a shotgun is preferable, then rifle.
  13. joab

    joab Well-Known Member

    That would be a BOB not a simple grab bag
  14. Lonestar.45

    Lonestar.45 Well-Known Member

    I would ditch the 33rd mags. If it's ammo storage you want, just take along a couple of boxes, they take up less space than the 33rd mags. I'd rather spend the $ on buying more 17rd mags than 33rd mags because I'd never shoot the 33rd mags. I picked up 10 used G19 mags at the gunshow for $12 each and never looked back, they work great.

    Good bag other than that though, it's basically what I have except w/a G19 and 15rd mags. I'd throw in a leatherman type tool though too if I were you.
  15. kellyj00

    kellyj00 Well-Known Member

    "I'm curious as to just what situation you think you need this grab bag for? You must have just finished watching red dawn or something. Were not gonna get invaded it was only a movie."

    exactly! they closed down my town...Valley Center, KS a few weeks ago due to a chemical fire. Police guarded every entrance (there's about 6 into town), some with shotguns after there was talk of rushing the gates. All the citizens were kept pooled together in their cars on the highways and county roads leading into town or in a grocery store parking lot right outside of town and were being told "it is not safe to enter the city, we will escort you to your homes for 5 minutes where you can get enough supplies for 2-3 days that the town will be shut down!" So, police started following people in their vehicles, one at a time and waiting for them to gather supplies for 3 days and return.

    After about 2 hours of this, police called it off. the lines stopped moving. Elderly folks were sitting in the heat, waiting for the opportunity to get medicine. I was waiting to get my dog out of his kennel (no access to food or water) and to grab the cat. I called my wife, with a broken voice, "the line has stopped moving, the police aren't letting anyone in...and they aren't saying why." She just calmly told me to 'calm down' and start asking questions if I could get to the front....she was going to try to get into town from the other side. It was a mess....a total and complete mess. The town police came down the county roads and told people "there was another explosion we will not let anyone in until it is safe." there was no longer ANY smoke coming from town and it seemed as though things were normal again. Folks were yelling at police and starting to throw fits.

    I kept thinking about my dog, dying slowly of dehydration over 3 days because there's a highway patrolmen at the edge of town with a 12 gauge and 5 buddies. I asked around, why people wanted back in...mostly pets, some medicine, one guy for supplies for his wife who was in labor at the hospital (she wanted HER robe and fresh clothes, by God!) I tried to rally up a group of citizens to tell the police that these were our homes and it is OUR choice if we want to risk an explosion or chemical fumes to retrieve our pets.

    I found a few folks who wanted to join. Then I got a call from my wife, "I got the dog. The veterinarian knows the police watching the south border so he's driving folks in to gather their pets. He's not letting us get anything else, so go get supplies and dog food"

    Now, if anyone tells me that they need a bug out bag that contains nothing but a gun and ammunition, then you are wrong. Dead wrong.... because if there's a problem that encompases more than just your small town, there's no way to get supplies...and when you're starving or dehydrated who really cares if you've got a Glock 17 with 300 rounds of ammo?

    Stuff does happen, get together a bug out bag.... put some $$$, a canteen full of water with a teaspoon of bleach (no good to carry around an empty canteen), as many water bottles as you can carry (you can ditch them later if you have to, or use for barter) some waterproof matches, kerosene, an 'emergency blanket', some energy bars, a good lockback or sheathed knife. Put a 9mm pistol in your bag, with at most 50 rds of ammo.... and put an ar-15 next to it with at least 100 rounds of .223 FMJ or HP ammo loaded into 20 rd mags (because it's harder to shoot from prone with a 30 round mag) remember, an ar15 is reliable and lightweight and accurate out to distance and great for defense from the muzzle out to hundreds of yards. Any handgun isn't going to have the same advantage, and you're not going to be able to use it to hunt as well. Also recommended, a handerchief, an extra pair of socks (can be used for more than just feet), a few hundred feet of 50+ weight monofilament fishing line (not for fishing, for everything else).

    I can think of very few instances where I'd need to "bug out" If you live in an earthquake prone area, that makes good sense....but you should probably go ahead and skip the rifle and go with a spare set of shorts and a box of tampons.
  16. kellyj00

    kellyj00 Well-Known Member

    after reading some of these posts, I'm a little concerned that I'm building the wrong bug out bag.

    What is the point of a cell phone? Everyone has one. When it comes down to me running from my home on foot, the phone is the last of my concerns. If things are still in good enough shape for a cell phone to be operable, then I'm doing the wrong thing by leaving my home for the great outdoors and hoofing it away from civilization.
  17. usp9

    usp9 Well-Known Member

    I didn't think 33 round pistol mags were legal in the People's Democratic Republic of Maryland.
  18. Sistema1927

    Sistema1927 Well-Known Member

    I would ditch the 33 round magazines and substitute an equal weight of water and water purification. You won't shoot long if you don't hydrate.
  19. AndyC

    AndyC Well-Known Member

    I have a GMHB (Get Me Home Bag) in the back of all 3 vehicles - wife, daughter and me - they contain the following:

    4 day food-supply+ candies
    Water purification tablets
    Plastic sheeting to make a solar still
    Lady's stockings (new) for water particle-filtration
    Military canteen
    Foldable water-carrier
    Hobo tool + big tin mug
    Para cord
    8'x10' tarp
    Double-sized emergency blanket
    2 knives, multi-tool and sharpener
    Various firestarters - lighter, magnesium, magnifying glass, condoms, tinder, etc.
    Toothbrush, toothpaste, soap and breath-strips (morale-booster and hygiene)
    Fishing-kit in a tin
    Esbit foldable pocket-stove + tablets
    Gloves, hat, pullover, rain-poncho
    Cyalume-sticks and small flashlight
    Toilet roll
    Decent medical-kit
    Orange duct-tape
    Multi-vitamin tablets

    Weighs about 8 lbs.
  20. Soybomb

    Soybomb Well-Known Member

    Thats lovely but 250 rounds of ammo probably won't fix your hunger, thirst, chills, wounds, or help you sleep. Where are the snacks, the first aid kid, the water treatment supplies? That grab bag looks like he's prepared for a team of assassin ninjas but not at all prepared to meet his most basic needs that he would be a million times more likely to need during a natural disaster. Throw the glock in with an extra mag or two but be sure you're thinking realistically about what you'll be needing when an earthquake or tornado tears your town apart.

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