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CZ trigger problem

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Lobotomy Boy, Feb 24, 2005.

  1. Lobotomy Boy

    Lobotomy Boy Well-Known Member

    I've always had a bit of trouble with my CZ75B trigger. When shooting single action, there is a strange sponginess at the beginning of the trigger pull. Tonight a friend was watching me shoot and he said that when I first pulled the trigger, the hammer moved to the fully cocked position (apparently it normally rests tiny bit before dead center of cocking). Pulling the trigger moves the hammer all the way out, which is where the sponginess comes from, then it breaks cleanly. It's as if the sear isn't timed right.

    I bought the gun new last June and it's always been like that. I've been looking for a competent gunsmith in the Minneapolis area to work on the trigger, but now I'm wondering if this is a problem CZ should fix?
  2. George Hill

    George Hill Well-Known Member

    "Pulling the trigger moves the hammer all the way out, which is where the sponginess comes from, then it breaks cleanly."

    I'm pretty sure that is what a double action trigger is supposed to do... but a spongy feeling isn't right. Call Mike at CZ-USA and have a chat with him.
  3. Jim Watson

    Jim Watson Well-Known Member

    This is dead common in CZs, sounds like yours is a little worse than average, is all. The full cock notch in the hammer has a little undercut and the sear actually has to cam it back against the mainspring until it drops off the edge.
    Call Mike at CZ-USA or ask around for a reliable gunsmith on the CZforum.
  4. browneu

    browneu Well-Known Member

    Deleted reply as Jim Watson beat me to it.
  5. Lobotomy Boy

    Lobotomy Boy Well-Known Member

    Thanks. That would explain what is happening exactly. I'll call Mike tomorrow.

    Can this be fine-tuned out? I shot a customized 85 a few months back and that had the crispest, cleanest trigger I've ever felt.
  6. Jeff OTMG

    Jeff OTMG Well-Known Member

    Mike Eagleshield is THE man.
  7. Walt Sherrill

    Walt Sherrill Well-Known Member

    Another option, if you're going to get a trigger job, is Jim Miossi, of Miossi Gun Works. He's a regular participant on the CZ Forum, and you can find his links there. (http://www.czforum.com) Look in the Home Gunsmithing area.

    He's very knowledgeable about CZs (non-decocker models), will give you a nice, smooth, trigger job without camming (i.e., when the hammer is cocked in SA mode, the hammer won't LIFT or move as the trigger is pulled.)

    He's less expensive than Mike Eagleshield. (Mike is very good, too.)
  8. bountyhunter

    bountyhunter member

    You can certainly reduce this undesirable effect. You can cut down the height of the full cock notch on the hammer so it doesn't have to push the hammer back as far to drop. You can also change the angle on the sear so it deflects the hammer less to the rear, but you have to know exactly how to do this.... if the angle goes too far, the hammer will follow the slide forward and not hold on the FC notch.

    PCRCCW Well-Known Member

    Actually Ill be I can nail this one.......Ive had one or two of them :rolleyes:

    If you put the safety on and pull the trigger while in SA mode, the hammer should not move at all. Dont pull really hard...just a little. If the hammer moves at all them you have some parts that arent as tight as they should be. The part thats on top of the frame where the sear/safety in pinned to the frame is loose on some guns. This is what causes most of the spongyness in triggers.
    CZ Wont fix it under warranty as it doesnt hamper the function of the gun.

    A good trigger job is always welcome and the smith may be able to tighten the parts up also.......

    Shoot well................
  10. DT Guy

    DT Guy Well-Known Member

    My inability to get a great trigger on my 75B is what prompted me to get the 75SA. That camming just made it really, really difficult to shoot well, and I was unsuccessful in trying to work the trigger parts to be rid of it.

    I've done trigger work on 30+ firearms over the years, but I wouldn't do it on a DA CZ again-too tricky.

  11. Lobotomy Boy

    Lobotomy Boy Well-Known Member

    I just spent 23 minutes on hold with CZUSA waiting for Mike, listening to the most gawdawful country and western music I've ever heard ("I'm a red-white-and-blueblood graduate of Honky Tonk U?"). Finally I hung up and redialed. I was told Mike was out to lunch.

    So far, not so good.
  12. mons meg

    mons meg Well-Known Member

    Did you ever get a hold of Mike @ CZ? I'm sure many of us fellow CZ owners are curious how they will handle your issue.
  13. Lobotomy Boy

    Lobotomy Boy Well-Known Member

    I called today and was put on hold for 23 minutes. I finally called back and was told that I couldn't possibly been on hold for 23 minutes, but that Mike was out to lunch. I called back an hour later, heard some woman scream (no kidding) and hang up. I called again and was told Mike was at the range for the rest of the day.

    I still have hopes of getting this problem solved and will give Mike the benefit of the doubt. It does seem like they need some serious help answering the phones, however. This experience didn't make me feel very charitable towards CZ-USA.
  14. Walt Sherrill

    Walt Sherrill Well-Known Member

    So... try Miossi Gun Works. They do a comparable job and cost less. (And Jim Miossi guarantees no camming.)

    He's also in the process of getting some custom parts made for CZs (like sears, for example) which might eventually be of interest to many of us.
  15. Lobotomy Boy

    Lobotomy Boy Well-Known Member

    I'm going to talk to Mike, but I don't plan on giving them any more money. If they can take care of this, I'll be happy. If they try to charge me for something that should have been taken care of before they shipped the gun, I'll be quite unhappy. Then I'll go to Jim.
  16. saddlebum

    saddlebum Well-Known Member

    ("I'm a red-white-and-blueblood graduate of Honky Tonk U?"). sorry you had problems with CZ, but, lay off toby keith he's a fellow okie and a second amendment supporter. :neener: saddlebum
  17. Sprout

    Sprout Well-Known Member

    I had my 75BD done by Mike--he's the only guy who will do decockers--and he did a good job.

    That being said, my brother just got a 75SA, is interested in a trigger job, and I'm shopping around for him. Any idea how much a trigger job from Miossi will set someone back? Mike charges $125 for a DA/SA job, and $75 for a SA only job.

    By the way, the contact infor for Miossi is 319 465-1911 and jcmios@n-connect.net
  18. Lobotomy Boy

    Lobotomy Boy Well-Known Member

    Nothing personal against Mr. Keith, nor against country and western music. I listen to X Country and Hank's Place all the time on XM Radio. I just haven't warmed up to the pop-country stuff that's on commercial radio. It seems like if you follow a formula--combine as many mixed metaphors with as many corny cliches as possible--and Clear Channel will play your song 50 times a day.

    I may not like his music, but it sounds like Mr. Keith is a decent fellow.
  19. Walt Sherrill

    Walt Sherrill Well-Known Member

    If I understand what you describe, its sound as though you've got a functional weapon with a trigger you really don't like. I've had a bunch of guns like that, over the years. I got some of them trigger jobs. A few I sold or traded away.

    CZs generally have fair triggers out of the box; some are better -- downright smooth and crisp, and a few are downright mediocre. Sounds like you got a mediocre one. (I've encountered SIGS with mediocre triggers, too, so its not just the purchase price that caues this. I know, too, that SIG doesn't fix the mediocre triggers that come off their assembly lines for nothing, either -- and a surprising number of my SIG-shooting buddies have had trigger jobs on their guns.)

    The CZ is not a target pistol. It is not a 1911. Its a good service pistol that "points" better than just about any other gun out there, with only the Browning Hi-Power being as good. (Some say better.)

    Tuned properly, however, the CZ will give a target pistol or a good 1911 a good run.

    I don't think CZ-USA going to do ANYTHING to resolve the "issue" you describe. Only a trigger/action job done by someone familiar with the gun and how to set the proper sear/hammer hook angles will do that.

    If you aren't willing to spring for the money to do that, you should really sell your CZ and find a gun more to your liking.
  20. Lobotomy Boy

    Lobotomy Boy Well-Known Member

    I'll pay for a trigger job. I just won't pay CZ to do it.

    I guess I've learned my lesson. I've shot lots of Glocks, and never encountered one with a mediocre trigger. They have Glock triggers, which take some getting used to, but they all work exactly alike. I like that sort of dependability.

    I've invested in a Kadet kit and extra mags, so I can't really sell the gun without losing my shirt. I think I'll fix the trigger and use the gun as a dedicated .22.

    I'd be p.o'd if I had to invest in a trigger job on a gun as expensive as a Sig. I guess I'll be striking those off my list of potential guns, too.

    The thing that really torques me is that my $199 Bersa Thunder has a great trigger. If my CZ was as good as the cheapo Bersa, I'd be thrilled.

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