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Damage to revolver from impact with another weapon?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Nero, Jan 26, 2011.

  1. Nero

    Nero New Member

    I was just wondering, if in a defensive situation, what would the damage be to a revolver frame if it was used as a melee weapon to block another weapon? (Say someone has a tire iron, and you have an L frame size revolver, and you blocked his swing with it, out of reflex. Would it be able to stand up to impact damage like that?)
  2. Lucky Derby

    Lucky Derby Well-Known Member

    Possibly, but maybe not. Sounds like you need a PR24 instead of a revolver.
  3. -eaux-

    -eaux- Well-Known Member

    Please don't take in ANY way other than it is intended: who cares?
    That is to say, if someone is swinging a tire iron at my head I'd much rather need to get a pistol reblued than need to get my head reglued. Any port in a storm.
    Hopefully, if your handgun has become a melee weapon, it's because you're out of reloads and you've already neutralized all the bad guys except this last one swinging the tire iron.
  4. Nero

    Nero New Member

    Well, I figured someone would say that, which is why I'm wondering if the gun would still work correctly, I'm not worried about the paintjob, so much as a serious malfunction if I attempt to fire right afterwards. Is a revolver frame typically a strong enough steel for this to not be a problem?
    If not, which, if any, material frames are?
  5. -eaux-

    -eaux- Well-Known Member

    I'm not an engineer or metalurgist, but there's surely a wide variance in strength vs. impact from one model/manufacturer to another. A handgun is designed around internal pressure, not incoming impact. No doubt others here can shed more light. But I would still go with "any port in a storm". If bad guy has a tire iron and I have a handgun, and he just hit said handgun with said tire iron, unless he knocked the cylinder out or the barrel off I'm pulling the trigger first chance I get.
  6. wadcutter45

    wadcutter45 Well-Known Member

    It's the same thing as asking "If my car were involved in an accident, would I still be able to drive it home?" The answer is...it depends...
  7. Gato Montés

    Gato Montés Well-Known Member

    In your mind, construct the situation in which this would happen. It is very unlikely that, if my pistol is drawn, that I would have to block a swing from whatever object instead of shooting. I guess a direct hit to the cylinder might cause timing issues, but I can't foresee this being a reason to pick a semi over a wheel gun. Heck, a line drive to a pistol of any type is going to result in severe damage regardless.
  8. Nero

    Nero New Member

    If you have to reload, and don't have time to do so, before blocking their swing, and possibly hitting them across the face with it. I was just curious as to the frame strength of a typical revolver (not compared to a semi-automatic, just in general). Beyond the chances of hitting the cylinder or other specific pieces, if the barrel/underlug would be able to take a hit without breaking or suffering severe damage.
    Thanks for the answers!
  9. David E

    David E Well-Known Member

    If someone had a tire iron and he's swinging at my head in an attempt to kill me, I'd try to block said tire iron with a bullet fired from my L-frame.

    Alas, I'd probably miss the tire iron and accidentally hit the man swinging it.....but I'd try it anyway. :D
  10. The the OP: In your scenario, you'll find out your answer in the next few seconds of the confrontation. Because unless you walk around (like they have to do in **********) with an unloaded sidearm, you're going to be shooting the bad guy as soon as you block his blow.

    My guess is that the weapon will function fine.
  11. btg3

    btg3 Well-Known Member

    The great thing about every revolver is that if it doesn't go bang, you can keep on pullin' the trigger. :rolleyes:
  12. DPris

    DPris Well-Known Member

    There's no way to realistically answer your question, too many variables involved.
    The configuration, mass & momentum of the object involved, where it happens to strike the revolver, etc.
  13. mdThanatos

    mdThanatos Well-Known Member

    DPris is right, too many variables to think about. I don't think, personally, that this is even a viable situation and if you were to block the full force swing of a tire iron with your revolver that your hand and/or arm will suffer greatly. But it does overall depend on where the impact on the revolver is, what angle it is, how much momentum is behind the tire iron...etc.

    Just don't see it happening in any instance.
  14. GRIZ22

    GRIZ22 Well-Known Member

    you have an L frame size revolver, and you blocked his swing with it, out of reflex.

    My first comment is if you did this you are poorly trained. David E gave the correct answer answer above. Shooting at your opponent's center mass to stop them would be a proper response. Firearms, at best, are arkward as striking wepaons. If you had a sword would you point it at him and try to pull the trigger?

    The great thing about every revolver is that if it doesn't go bang, you can keep on pullin' the trigger.

    Maybe not. The most fragile part of a revolver is the cylinder crane and ejector rod. A blow from a tire iron would easily bend either of these sufficiently to tie up the gun.
  15. Sniper X

    Sniper X Well-Known Member

    Aren't you supposed to shoot them BEFORE they hit you with the tire iron?
  16. Odd Job

    Odd Job Well-Known Member

    If he hits you instead of the gun, you may not be able to use the gun anyway, which is worse than figuring the odds on whether a hit to the gun disables it or not.
  17. The Lone Haranguer

    The Lone Haranguer Well-Known Member

    Unless you've already fired all the rounds in the revolver, you want to shoot anyone swinging a tire iron at you. If the gun is in fact already empty, any damage done to it that renders it inoperable will not matter at that point. The damage, if any, would depend on the location and force with which it is struck. I would guess that an impact on the barrel would not hurt anything, provided the ejector rod is enclosed or shrouded by the barrel. An exposed ejector rod, as found on many Smith & Wesson's, if bent, could cause the cylinder to bind. An impact directly on the side of the cylinder might bend or "spring" the cylinder crane/yoke and bind the cylinder. It would probably also smash your fingers.
  18. Lucky Derby

    Lucky Derby Well-Known Member

    Best analogy yet
  19. sgt127

    sgt127 Well-Known Member

    If a revolver takes a substantial impact on the cylinder, it may render the gun inoperable if the center pin breaks.

    If you flatten the trigger guard, it can prevent the trigger from being pulled.

    I have seen these things happen.

    On the other hand, revolvers have a long and rich past as impromptu impact weapons. The trick is to hit with the butt of the gun...maybe the barrel if its a heavy barrel.

    I would prefer not to block steel on steel with a gun though, we're not fencing here.
  20. jojo200517

    jojo200517 Well-Known Member

    Like others have said they are WAY to many variables to know. As far as a strike to the side of the barrel and the barrel going flying across the room I seriously doubt this happening. Some damage maybe, gun gets knocked out of your hand quiet possible.

    Now if we make the assumption that you have already fired 6 or 7 shots of .357 magnum so its empty and hit other assailants and there is a guy still swinging a tire iron at your head he's pretty much hell bent on smashing your brains out. Do whatever you can and have to do. If there is no way to reload i'd say its about half past time to put your nike's on the asphault and make like the rear end of a race donkey.

    If you can't run and must you your gun in defensive nature to block the swing of the tire iron that someone is trying to take your head off with i'd figure accuracy at the next range visit probably won't be on your mind and neither will any scratches or damage the gun receives.

    If the gun is still loaded it might be a pretty good idea to use hot copper jacketed lead projectile to the center mass of mr tire iron swinger as opposed to cold steel of your gun to the cold steel of his tire iron.

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