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Death Wish(the movie)and vigilantism

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by vi9er, Mar 5, 2008.

  1. vi9er

    vi9er Well-Known Member

    So i watched Death Wish for the first time about a week ago. And its been running on AMC seems like every night this week. The summary blurb in the guide for each movie(Death wish 1-4) always says "the Vigilante Architect".

    In the first movie, was he really a vigilante?(i haven't seen more than a few minutes of the others) I have always considered vigilantism to be judging someone AFTER a crime has been committed. Hunting down and meting out justice to someone who wronged you. He was defending himself throughout the entire movie, albeit placing himself in dicey situations, he never initiated force, only responded.

    What do you think? Is that vigilantism?


    Sidenote: It seems to me that one of the most dangerous positions in the world is to be someone Charles Bronson cares about. Wife, daughter, girlfriend, girlfriends daughter, might as well have them all wear red shirts.
  2. FieroCDSP

    FieroCDSP Well-Known Member

    I haven't seen the first one. The second one he was certainly hunting them down, albeit with good reason. The tag-line should read "Some people just need killing"
  3. Redd Flynt

    Redd Flynt Well-Known Member

    Certainly World history is rich with the operations of Vigilance organizations. When rule of law waivers or is in fact not present, then the Citizens have and will react. Walter VanTilburg Clark points out in "The Oxbow Incident" the dark side of such actions.
  4. vi9er

    vi9er Well-Known Member

    In the first one, his wife was killed, and he armed himself with an old revolver, and would walk through the bad areas of town, waiting to get mugged, when the badguy would threaten him, he would burn them down.
  5. HMMurdock

    HMMurdock Well-Known Member

    Good argument. I can see it as vigilantism (sp?) because of his motives. He wasn't just putting himself in dicey situations so much as seeking the vermin that will try to do him harm so he could beat them to it. It's a thin line and a good argument. Good post.

    Yeah, excellent comparison on Bronson's loved ones to Red Shirts. Bronson's character is cursed!
  6. BattleChimp Potemkin

    BattleChimp Potemkin Well-Known Member

    Im personally 50/50 on these issues. Its a hard line to make. Feelings, emotions, "I KNOW THESE PEOPLE ARE EVIL". etc... versus justice, right, etc... I personally have a deathful hate of meth dealers (rampant in Indiana). I would love nothing more than to go after them , however, does that make my "justice" right? Not really. Those who fight monsters and looks into the abysss must take care not to become monsters themselves (actually touched upon in the beginning of DW3). I really dont like these sort of movies b/c the either have an agenda behind them (the brave one) or give people wrong ideas (Death Wish and similar).
  7. Tribal

    Tribal Well-Known Member

    So...was someone watching AMC yesterday, then?
  8. vi9er

    vi9er Well-Known Member

    Flipped between the Death Wish run on amc, and Family Guy/Southpark. ;-)

    I don't see what he was doing as vigilante, so much as offensive defense, is the best i can come up with. He wasn't hunting anyone, and only responded with force when force, or the real threat of force, was used on him...

    I see that as somewhat laudable.
  9. Flame Red

    Flame Red Well-Known Member

    I was watching the Death Wish series too on AMC and can see how so many movies that followed are just take offs. I believe that Death Wish 3 was made in 1985.

    I noticed that he somehow managed to have a pistol shipped thru the mail directly from the manufacturer with out going thru an FFL. Also, everyone of course had an unregistered class 3 too.
  10. Hokkmike

    Hokkmike Well-Known Member

    These movies are so old they seem funny now! They went up to Death Wish 4so I guess they made money. They are pure fiction.
  11. 1911NM

    1911NM Well-Known Member

    "When you look into the abyss, the abyss looks into you". Guess I was wondering how the Death Wish movies compared to the new Jodie Foster movie out on DVD. Haven't seen it, but sounded like another vigilante kinda thingy.
  12. News Shooter

    News Shooter Well-Known Member

    The DW series is better than watching snow on your TV screen, but only barely.

    I forget which one it was III or IV, the one when he went back to NY. I actually liked that one the best because it turned into a campy take-off on running zombies
  13. GhostlyKarliion

    GhostlyKarliion Well-Known Member

    In my eyes a vigilante is someone who ignores an established justice system in favor of their own form of justice.

    A vigilante is sometimes a person (such as the Punisher) who no longer believes that the established Justice system is capable of enacting justice and must be circumnavigated.

    In my eyes, someone is not acting as a vigilante when engaged in self defense or enacting revenge, those two actions are incompatible with the concept.

    And please note that despite media and liberal hype, a vigilante is usually a hero in the eyes of most.
  14. 98C5

    98C5 Well-Known Member

    Ah, Death Wish!! I had a thread about this series a while back. Love the Wildey .475!! "My friend Wildey will be here soon". Acting is horrible and low-budget, but I love the premise of the movie. He uses several different models, but the Wildey is the best. I guess he was rivaling Dirty Harry and the 44 Automag. Sound bites are almost identical.
  15. TallPine

    TallPine Well-Known Member

    What's the difference between a Vigilance Committee and a government out of control ???
  16. Kind of Blued

    Kind of Blued Well-Known Member

    Some of the stuff makes me cringe when I think about how many a brainless anti across the country think that the only thing M16A2s are good for are blasting away in a crowded roller rink and lighting up a guy with the attached 37mm grenade launcher from "dueling" distance...
  17. rocinante

    rocinante Well-Known Member

    I heard Sylvester Stallone is going to revive Death Wish as a film platform for himself. That man is the king of serial films.
  18. Mainsail

    Mainsail Well-Known Member

    Doesn't he (Bronson) form a militia in one of the movies? Some guy pulls an old WW2 machine gun out of his closet.

    I also heard Stallone will be doing a remake of this series.
  19. Zundfolge

    Zundfolge Well-Known Member

    Actually it went up to Death Wish 5 ... and probably would have gone higher if Charles Bronson hadn't passed.

    Since Stallone is going to start doing DW movies its pretty clear that there's part of the American movie going public that still digs the premise (you can put me firmly in that camp).

    Also note that Keven Bacon's Death Sentence is in essence a sequel/remake of the original Death Wish (since its also based on the novel that was the sequel to the novel the original Death Wish was based on)

    I caught part of DW3 at the gym last night ... honestly the whole thing feels like a JPFO propaganda film (not that there's anything wrong with that).
  20. Dirtypacman

    Dirtypacman Well-Known Member

    One of my favorite movies - just a classic.

    I call it "Street Justice" instead of vigilante.

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