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Defence with antique firearms

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by monotonous_iterancy, Feb 7, 2013.

  1. Roadking Rider

    Roadking Rider Well-Known Member

    I protect my home with a CZ82 quite often. It really is a great pistol and Hornaday makes some very nice HP's for it. If I need to reach out and touch someone at a greater distance I always have my old M1 Garand or Mosin Nagant or Yugo SKS. :D
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2013
  2. MedWheeler

    MedWheeler Well-Known Member

    Okay, but what's being asked here is about the possession of the "antique" gun where/when others are prohibited. Is he in prison for the gun, its unlawful use, or both? In other words, would he still be in prison if he had shot his brother-in-law under the same exact circumstances, but while using a legally-possessed modern firearm?
  3. brickeyee

    brickeyee Well-Known Member

    Many states have no 'antique' exception, and most will be glad to consider even a BP revolver or single shot a 'deadly weapon' whose possession is also verboten.

    Trying to slice out an exception to a state law can get very dicey.

    Statute law is NOT the only law.
    You will have to check case (common) law.

    Do you think you want to stand in front of a judge in an anti-gun state and try to explain that your BP revolver is not a gun?
  4. silicosys4

    silicosys4 Well-Known Member

    You can legally purchase with no FFL paperwork, a replica blackpowder pistol.
    You can then legally purchase with no FFL paperwork, a new conversion cylinder to put in it, that will allow your pistol to take .38s&w, .38 spcl, or .45 colt metallic cartridges.
    You now have a cartridge firing revolver, with no FFL paperwork.
    Its pretty much just as difficult to reload as the blackpowder version, as some conversions don't have a loading gate and the cylinder must be taken out of the gun to be reloaded.
    Some do have a loading gate though. I believe the colt navy replica conversion cylinders can be had with a loading gate for .38S&W.

    Although, there is no great loophole there, since you can get many antique firearms that do not require FFL paperwork, that will take metallic cartridges still available today.
  5. gamestalker

    gamestalker member

    I knew a guy that was on federal parole for bank robbery, and he was legal to own and operate his C&B wheel gun, so he said. I've been curious about this particular for some time now concerning convicted felons in Arizona.

  6. hueyville

    hueyville Well-Known Member

    My guess is by the time you get to the jury whether you clocked someone with a Glock or a Flintlock the jury is going to see it as a gun on the evidence table. Self defense or whatever, if your in an unfriendly state and the District Attorney wants to pursue you its going to be a bad day.
  7. Cosmoline

    Cosmoline Well-Known Member

    !! Personally I'd rather take a bullet than risk having that thing tossed into some evidence locker. That's the gun you get other guns to protect.
  8. The-Reaver

    The-Reaver Well-Known Member

    lol, I clocked my ROA with a 220 conical at just under 1k FPS

    I'd say it will do its job.
  9. Sistema1927

    Sistema1927 Well-Known Member

    While a C&B revolver will still kill like it did in the 19th Century, this kind of talk is defeatism.

    If the anti -Freedom crowd gets their way, it will be illegal to defend yourself, even in your own home, and using any device or implement. Think that I am kidding? Just look at the UK.

    Give no ground, defend Freedom on all fronts.
  10. PRM

    PRM Well-Known Member

    I must be missing something. The statement is true - how is that in itself defeatism? I will agree that there are better choices today. But if a person likes the older guns, they are certainly adequate to do whatever is needed.

    The OP asked..."have any of you ever carried or used an antique or a reproduction as a defensive weapon?" I've been using C&B revolvers since the 70s. When I was younger, I loved to shoot, and could shoot a lot more with these than I could with cartridge guns. Aside from the number of rounds I have put down range with them. I have hunted, taken small game them, killed coyotes that were bothering livestock, used them on hikes in the woods, around the farm and just about any other use I have needed a firearm for. I took the OP as asking if they were a viable arm.
  11. Pat C.

    Pat C. Well-Known Member

    PRM #4 Shoot Shootgun pellets!!
  12. Nickel Plated

    Nickel Plated Well-Known Member

    Well since NYC is being thrown around as an example here I think I'll chime in. Here, antiques are exempt from firearm status same as anywhere else in the country. The difference however is here it counts as an antique only if it stays unloaded and you do not have the ammo necessary to fire it. Once you get bullets, powder, and caps, your cap n' ball revolver becomes no different than a Glock or 1911 and is subject tot he same registration and licensing laws.
    On top of that, even if the government doesn't consider it a "firearm" per-say. It will still most definitely count as a deadly weapon which are also illegal to carry.

    In short, any place where you would have legal problems defending yourself with a modern semi, an antique is not likely to help you much. If you decide to disregard the law and carry anyway then you might as well get a modern pistol. The punishment for getting caught will be largely the same, but you'll atleast have a weapon more suited for the task.
  13. monotonous_iterancy

    monotonous_iterancy Well-Known Member

    I was speaking more of home defense.

    If not NY, then what about places like NJ?
  14. gym

    gym member

    You might be better off with a knife at close range, especially if you had the element of suprise.
  15. brickeyee

    brickeyee Well-Known Member

    ONLY under Federal law.

    States are all over the place.
  16. Nickel Plated

    Nickel Plated Well-Known Member

    Like i said, here.

    Local NYC law basically reads that any firearm made prior to 1899 or replica of one. That does not fire self contained cartridges or only fires cartridges that are not available in the "regular channels of commerce" (whatever that means) is an antique and not a firearm as long as you do not possess the ammunition required to fire it.

    State law is the same except they don't care weather you have ammo for it or not.

    I'm sure MOST states are the same. With of course SEVERAL EXCEPTIONS like IL, NJ, and MA I believe.

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