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Detroit Free Press Actually has a semi-positive gun story

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by thumbody, Mar 23, 2004.

  1. thumbody

    thumbody Well-Known Member

    Gun toters halt robbery attempts

    1 is shot, 5 arrested in two separate incidents
    March 23, 2004


    Applying the school-yard axiom that turnabout is fair play, would-be robbery victims thwarted their attackers in two recent separate incidents -- one by facing down the alleged bandit in a standoff, the other by shooting a man in the butt.

    The self-defense actions drew praise but also caution about returning to Dodge City-style six-gun justice.

    Farmington Hills police said a 32-year-old Novi woman, who had a permit to carry a small-caliber pistol in her purse, stopped a man armed with a 9mm semiautomatic handgun from taking her $40,000 diamond ring and Rolex watch.

    Police Chief William Dwyer said the woman, whose name was not released, was in the parking lot of a business at 12 Mile and Drake, where she worked in the accounting department, when a man confronted her Friday morning.

    When he came within about 10 feet, Dwyer said, the woman calmly pulled the gun out of her purse and pointed it at the man -- identified as Carl Walker, 21, of Detroit.

    Walker did not draw his weapon, police said. Instead, he ran to a nearby car and the woman called 911. Police later arrested Walker and recovered a pistol. Two companions, Monique Bell, 26, of Detroit and Daphne Patterson, 28, of Southfield, also were arrested.

    Dwyer said the incident is making him rethink his opposition to the state law that eased concealed weapons permit regulations.

    Two other men -- a father-son team accused of trying to rob a 65-year-old retiree -- are expected to be arraigned this morning in St. Clair County.

    The men already had robbed one woman before being stopped by the home owner's bullet on Friday, police said.

    The Ft. Gratiot Township home owner answered his door on Keewahdin Road about 8 p.m. and was accosted by a 20-year-old Worth Township man armed with a handgun. When the young man's attention was diverted, police said the home owner grabbed his own .38-caliber handgun and fired.

    "The round ended up coming out of his buttocks, so I'm sure he'll be thinking about that old man every time he sits down for a while," said Detective Lt. Mike Bloomfield of the St. Clair County Sheriff's Department.

    The man fled with his 45-year-old father and with $100 from the home owner's wallet, police said.

    The two were arrested after seeking treatment late Friday at a Huron County hospital, claiming to be victims of a road-rage incident, police said.

    Bloomfield said he didn't know whether the home owner had a permit for his weapon.

    "This is one of those ones that you hear as a policeman and you go, 'All right!' " Bloomfield said. "I mean, a guy breaks into a man's house armed, prepared to do harm, and the man defends himself. That's great."

    The pair also are suspected in a Sanilac County armed robbery in which an elderly woman was tied up in her home and robbed.

    State Sen. Gilda Jacobs, D-Huntington Woods, reacted guardedly to the two self-defense cases.

    "We have to be careful we don't end up having the wild, wild west," she said.

    "People should feel able to protect themselves in their own homes, there's some argument there," said Jacobs, who as a state representative voted against the concealed weapons law in 2002. "But do we want a bunch of vigilantes running around with guns to do the police's work?"

    Contact FRANK WITSIL at 248-351-3690 or witsil@freepress.com, and AMBER HUNT MARTIN at 586-469-4904 or hunt@freepress.com.

    This is the first story I've seen in THe Free Press that wasn't anti gun.
  2. StLGlocker

    StLGlocker Well-Known Member

    Thank you, oh Benevolent Generous High Mistress. :rolleyes:

    Mostly positive article, though, good to see self-defense stories in mainstream press.
  3. Langenator

    Langenator Well-Known Member

    I am a little curious...the first woman (the one with the $40k ring :what: ) pulled her gun when the suspect allegedly did nothing more than get within 10 feet of her.

    And what is it with the antis and the Wild West/streets will run with blood thing? Over 30 states, and it still hasn't happened, yet they still keep repeating it.

    My favorite quote:

  4. sturmruger

    sturmruger Well-Known Member

    Langenator there was allot more to the story that what they printed in the above excerpt. I read the whole story somewhere and it went into allot more detail then here. It turns out the couple knew of this lady and how many valuables she kept on her person they were in that women’s parking lot for one reason and that was to rob her. I don't remember that she got arrested, but this happened about a week ago so I probably don't remember the whole story.
  5. Andrew Rothman

    Andrew Rothman Well-Known Member

    My email to the reporter:
  6. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    Leftists always preach "caution" when it comes to commoners and firearms. They should sit down, shut up, and admit they were wrong.
  7. P95Carry

    P95Carry Moderator Emeritus

    Matt alluded to this in his email ... and I have to say it is a statement that really riles me.

    Let anyone .. I mean anyone - prove to me that police can be omnipotent and omnipresent .... just ain't possible. Sure, they'll be along after the bodies are on the ground ... and that is not an ''anti cop'' statement .. it's plain practical fact. They can ''measure up'', and help ''mop up'' .... maybe even catch the perp later .. but by then, unless they have resurrective skills we know nothing about ... there can be an already dead innocent at the end of it all.

    Neither is the ''vigilante'' label remotely relevant or applicable .. when dealing with straightforward SELF DEFENCE issues .. there is nothing remotely vigilante about them.

    People either have the means to defend themselves or they don't... and it is every responsible person's right to have such.
  8. Ryder

    Ryder Well-Known Member

    Some detective! There is no such thing as a home owner's gun permit in Michigan. Perhaps he meant the Safety Inspection Certificate (registration card)?
  9. Treylis

    Treylis Well-Known Member

    Michigan carry permits limit you by caliber/type of gun?

    I thought that things were a bit more liberal in regards to that up there.
  10. Sleeping Dog

    Sleeping Dog Well-Known Member

    No, and it doesn't specify where/how to carry (in her purse). The reporter got a few details wrong.

    I didn't read the whole story, but if she pulled the gun at ten feet, I wonder what the guy was doing to make her suspicious. It seems like a competent mugger would act "normal" 'til he's a lot closer.
  11. Ukraine Train

    Ukraine Train Well-Known Member

    Maybe as he approached he told her to give up the jewels or he'd pull a gun. When she reached in her purse he probably thought she was going for her wallet or something.
  12. Chip Dixon

    Chip Dixon Well-Known Member


    If you've ever been the victim of an armed robbery before, you remember the feeling you get when someone who is about to rob you approaches you, or eyes you up. Then there's a sort of internal alarm that goes off telling you something is wrong. It is very distinct. She was alert enough to not be in shock and denial when it happened and responded appropriately. And, apparently, just in the nick of time in order to keep the situation from escalating too far. Perhaps this isn't the first time she's had people try and pass her off as an easy target. Hopefully she'll be a little more sane from now on and not wear a couple year's salary for the average robber on her person in jewelry from now on. I can see wanting to wear that for special occasions, but for general use that's asking to be robbed.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is Trust your instincts! It can happen to anyone. Prevention is key.
  13. sturmruger

    sturmruger Well-Known Member

    Here is the link to another newspaper article that has a little more details.
    I got this from a duplicate thread


    Of The Daily Oakland Press

    Four years ago, she was helpless as a man robbed her at gunpoint. On Friday, legally armed with a handgun, she may have saved her life.
    And Farmington Hills Police Chief William Dwyer, who dreaded a change in the law in 2001 to make it easier to receive a concealed weapons permit, admits that he's changing his mind about that law.

    Dwyer said the woman could easily have been killed after she was targeted by a couple looking for an easy score. They were waiting at 6:30 a.m. outside an office building at the southeast corner of 12 Mile and Drake roads.

    Angela, a married mother of two, was arriving at the office where she has worked for six years. She asked that her last name and hometown not be made public.

    She saw a car in the lot that she did not recognize, with two people inside, putting her on her guard. When she left her car, a man got out of that car and walked toward her.

    He passed the entrance to the building and continued toward her. The man came within 10 feet of her, and she knew she had to act.

    "I didn't get a chance to get in the office," she said. "He had his hands in his pocket with his hood pulled up. I opened my purse and pulled my gun out.

    "I felt my life was in trouble. The first instinct was to pull out my gun."

    The man turned tail and walked away, and the car pulled up to him near the roadway. He jumped in and they drove off.

    No shots were fired.

    Dwyer said there was "no question" she was in trouble.

    "She took the appropriate action," Dwyer said. "She probably saved her life. She is a very fortunate young lady. (Also) she did an excellent job as far as giving a description of the vehicle and the suspect. She's a very courageous young lady."

    Her calm demeanor and quick thinking - she called police from her cell phone immediately after the suspect drove off - led police to the man and his female accomplice within a minute of the robbery attempt, Dwyer said.

    He said the couple - a 21-year-old man and a 28-year-old woman from Detroit - would be charged with conspiracy to commit armed robbery.

    Police confiscated a loaded 9 mm handgun from the couple's car. The man has several outstanding warrants and the woman was convicted for receiving stolen property.

    Later Friday, Dwyer said a 28-year-old Southfield woman who knows Angela had been arrested for setting up her robbery.

    Police are seeking a fourth suspect.

    Dwyer, who as head of the state's police chief's association opposed the change in state law that made it easier for residents without criminal backgrounds to carry guns, acknowledges that the law has saved at least one person.

    "I always said the CCW (Carrying a Concealed Weapon permit) legislation is somewhat controversial," he said. "I'm certainly rethinking it."

    He credited her for taking the appropriate training and, equally important, using common sense.

    "I'm just a woman," Angela said. "You hear about things like this. I didn't want to be a victim again".
  14. Langenator

    Langenator Well-Known Member

    That article gives much better details. And it doesn't include all the unnecessary hand-wringing nonsense.
  15. thumbody

    thumbody Well-Known Member

    I sent both reporters this email

    I want to thank You for your report in Mondays paper on law abiding Michigan gun owners using their guns to stop crimes in progress.We don't see reports like this very oftenalthough they happen everyday.(Believed to be 4-4.5 million times a year)

    I was confused by Sen Jacobs use of the term vigilante as these seem to be cases of just plain self defense.They both stopped crimes in progress. A vigilante would track them down after the crime was committed.

    Thank you again for a positive gun story.

    Lester Auten lll

    Cass City MI

    Got this reply from Ms/Mrs ? Hunt Martin

    Mr. Auten,

    Thank you for your e-mail. I believe Ms. Jacobs was referring to what could happen in the most extreme cases – not what had happened in these two in particular.

    Thank you again for writing, and for your compliments.

    Amber Hunt Martin

    While this was not a pro gun story The Free Press editors have always been extremely anti gun. I much prefer the Oakland Press article.
  16. tc300mag1

    tc300mag1 Well-Known Member

    the free press is anit everything anit gun anti workers ya get my point
  17. straightShot

    straightShot Well-Known Member

    Jacobs is one of the worst, irrational, anti-gun legislators around. Why they quoted her is beyond comprehension, except that the Detroit Free Press is notoriously anti-freedom.
  18. Waitone

    Waitone Well-Known Member

    <ahooga, ahooga> Cognitive Dissonance alert.

    You'll see alot more of these articles in the future. If DFT is like virtually all other papers, they have a rock hard mindset about guns. Any intruding reality causes severe distress.

    Watching Detriot adopt to CCH laws will be entertaining to say the least. At some point someone will come out and say "Looks like there won't be blood in the streets. Whadda we do now?":D

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