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Dianne Feinstein to Propose New Ban On So-Called "Assault Weapons" Today at 11am EDT

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Justin, Jan 24, 2013.

  1. jamesbeat

    jamesbeat Well-Known Member

    What a manipulative hypocrite.
  2. inclinebench

    inclinebench Well-Known Member

    Also, by these Dems calling rifles "Weapons of mass destruction", didn't they just totally prove that Bush was right and Iraq had weapons of mass destruction?
  3. Skribs

    Skribs Well-Known Member

    I like how the Barrett M82 and the FN FAL are "AR types".

    Banning the AR-15 and AK platform would pretty much spark civil war. I'm not calling for insurrection or warcries, but it's plain and simple that if you take the two most popular rifles in the country and make it illegal, everyone with those rifles will be mad.

    Noticed the M-14/M1A is not listed, neither is SKS.

    Shotguns, they're pretty much looking at Saiga-12. I wonder how they feel about the three high-cap tube-fed shotguns (the Kel-Tec, the other one like Kel-Tec, and the one with the rotating tubes) or the Saiga 20/410.

    The sad thing is these weapons, especially the pistols mentioned, are rarely used in crime, but are all (well...again, except for the pistols) very good tools for fighting crime.
  4. berettaprofessor

    berettaprofessor Well-Known Member

    Hmmm...AR15 22LR is specifically on the list....but Ruger's SR22 rilfe is not. And does the S&W M&P 15 exclusion include the 15-22, or leave it out?

    Ranch Mini-14 is not on the list. Nor is any 10-22 as near as I can see. What a crock of HS.
  5. Skribs

    Skribs Well-Known Member

  6. My takeaway from this, is that Feinstein and McCarthy appeared completely out of touch with that they are discussing. I can't say whether the references to hip-firing and duck hunting were merely political theater or if they actually believe such things. I don't discount the latter as I think that they really don't know much about firearms.

    Unfortunately, this relfects the beliefs of many people who don't know much about guns. Education is key in showing the folly of such beliefs.
  7. Skribs

    Skribs Well-Known Member

    Just curious, couldn't companies come up with new names for their product? i.e. S&W could rename their rifles the Modern Musket (or MM-15) and suddenly it's not banned.

    I also wonder how many companies will "accidentally" include 10-round big-bore AR-15 magazines with their .223 version. (I can't remember which of the "big" 3, .450 bushmaster, .458 socom, and .50 beowulf uses AR-mags as single-stack mags). Hey, they're 10-round magazines!

    (Although I guess they might pull the same tactic they did in New York, i.e. you can have 10 loaded).
  8. This is why they have the secondary definition using the feature test.

    At the risk of fines, imprisonment and losing their FFL? Probably zero.
  9. mrvco

    mrvco Well-Known Member

    I'm guessing that the list of specific models is just to give you some examples...

    What I believe that they mean by "All AK Types..." and "All AR Types..." is ALL <PERIOD>.

    The M1A is an interesting example since other than having a detachable mag, it doesn't have a pistol grip or telescoping stock and does not rank any higher on the "OMG SCARY" scale than most any "hunting" rifle to the layperson. (except maybe for the SOCOM II w/ the black (ie scary) quad rails)
    Last edited: Jan 24, 2013
  10. Jesse 8

    Jesse 8 Well-Known Member

    Big sis is always watching....
  11. Skribs

    Skribs Well-Known Member

    Well then I wonder if Magpul will just start putting out 10-round PMAGs for a big-bore caliber. Unless the feds want to ban that entire cartridge, they wouldn't be able to stop the sale and production.

    The "only X amount loaded" clause could still apply though.

    I wonder what companies outside the US, like Sig, HK, et al. think of this. Forcing them to use thumbhole stocks just made them do a bit of R&D. Banning their product entirely means a loss of revenue for the company. I know they aren't U.S. citizens, but we have the biggest gun market, and it would really hurt those companies.
  12. berettaprofessor

    berettaprofessor Well-Known Member

    Then they, and all their employees as well as their marketing outlets, are all on our side of the lobbying factions!
  13. breakingcontact

    breakingcontact Well-Known Member

    458 SOCOM FTW

    10/22 with a pistol grip or thumbhole stock would be a no go.

    Plus, whenever we see any sort of list, we need to recoil at the whole thing, not check to see if what we have or want is on it.

    Otherwise, eventually, there will be a list, with what you have or want on it.

    Eventually, there will be a list with guns and names, then in the end, just a list of names.
  14. mrvco

    mrvco Well-Known Member

    I expect that they would start manufacturing AR and AK rifles w/ no pistol grip or telescoping stock and throw a 10-round magazine in the box.

    I would also assume that these "new" models would be modular so you could easily replace the furniture as well as still accepting pre-ban mags.

    It's '94 all over again... We're not any "SAFER", but we certainly do "FEEL" better.
  15. Justin

    Justin Moderator Staff Member

    Ah. Thanks for the correction.

    Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S3 using Tapatalk. Hence all the misspellings and goofy word choices.
  16. pockets

    pockets Well-Known Member

    Ya know, it really is bad when an American proposes banning a .22 rimfire of any kind! The .22 is about as 'American' as firearms can get.

    The closest I see to the Ruger 10/22 is the Intratec Tec-22 Scorpion....which uses 10/22 magazines.
    Yet no other pistol or rifle is on the list that uses those same magazines...like the Ruger Charger, 10/22, etc.
    Oh wait..the Tec-22 is (a) Intratec, (b) black, (c) shaped like a machine pistol, (d) is inherently evil, will sprout legs, and go on a killing rampage.

    What a moron DF is. She needs to retire immediately and well....expire. She would not be missed.
  17. Derry 1946

    Derry 1946 Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I think that's the best line I ever read on a forum.
  18. MachIVshooter

    MachIVshooter Well-Known Member

    Those in question never were in complete control of their mental faculties.

    Doesn't meant they're stupid, though. Intelligent and nutty = DANGEROUS
  19. Skribs

    Skribs Well-Known Member

    mrvco, if they include harsher limits on importation of semi-automatic weapons, these companies could be seriously hurt by this legislation.

    Derry, thanks for the compliment.
  20. mrvco

    mrvco Well-Known Member

    I'll be curious to see what is actually in the bill on that topic. If I had to guess, it will be a "domestic assembly" and/or "domestic parts mix" issue... Whatever it is, there will be money involved and it will at least increase the cost of doing business in the US for those companies.

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