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Disappointed With Newly Proposed Illinois Concealed Carry Bill

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Phatty, Jan 15, 2013.

  1. Phatty

    Phatty Well-Known Member

    Representative David Reis (R) has filed the first concealed carry bill of the new session in Illinois. The bill is the Family and Personal Protection Act (House Bill 154).

    As a background, the concealed carry bill from the last session that advanced the farthest was a highly-negotiated bill with tons of compromise on the part of gun supporters, which was seen as necessary to get the super-majority of votes required to pass a concealed carry bill. However, now that the 7th Circuit ruled that the Illinois ban on carrying weapons in public is unconstitutional, the gun supporters found themselves holding all the cards. Thus, I was expecting a new concealed carry bill with no compromise in the new session (at least with the first iteration of the bill).

    Unfortunately, I was greatly disappointed when I reviewed the newly proposed concealed carry bill. Keep in mind this is what was proposed by a Republican, not a centrist Democrat. It is virtually unchanged from the prior bill that was full of compromises.

    In a previous post, I described the prior version of the bill and included my thoughts on its problems. I'm copying and pasting those descriptions of the prior bill here with additional comments embedded (in blue font) by me where the new law has changed (very few instances).

    So, we get a historic decision from a federal appeals court finding that the current Illinois restriction on carrying weapons is unconstitutional, and our pro-gun legislators react by essentially just reducing the application fee from $100 to $65 and reducing classroom training from 8 to 4 hours. And this is our opening bid!! As I state in the title, I am hugely disappointed. Is this just laziness on the part of our legislators to copy and past the old bill so that they don't have to do any more work coming up with a different bill? If that is the case, I will gladly donate my time to author a much better alternative.

    I really hope a more palatble alternative is filed, but I fear that the anti-gun Madigan will only allow this more restrictive alternative to ever come up for a vote.
  2. NavyLCDR

    NavyLCDR member

    You could always move to New York....
  3. JFtheGR8

    JFtheGR8 Well-Known Member

    Very good breakdown. I'll be using this post as a reference when writing to my reps. It needs cleaned up for sure.

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  4. Phatty

    Phatty Well-Known Member

    One of the "features" of the proposed bill that I did not mention in the original post is that a college can prohibit a licensee from carrying a concealed weapon anywhere on the college campus. But, if the college does prohibit carrying on campus, it is civilly liable to a licensee that is injured on campus by the criminal act of another. A business that consents to concealed carry on the premises is immune from all liability based on that consent.

    I have a lot of respect for private property rights, so I've never been a proponent of forcing private business owners to allow people into their establishments that are carrying weapons. But, I do like putting businesses that are open to the public in a situation where they can prohibit guns but must guarantee the safety of visitors from crime, or allow guns and be free of any possible liability. The smart financial decision in that scenario is to allow carrying.
  5. Birch Knoll

    Birch Knoll Well-Known Member

    What did you expect from a state which is only cobbling together a CCW law because a court ordered them to do so? They'll create the most restrictive law that they think might pass review.
  6. razorback2003

    razorback2003 Well-Known Member

    any reciprocity? is this good in chicago?
  7. Phatty

    Phatty Well-Known Member

    No reciprocity. There are provisions for non-Illinois residents to obtain a license to carry in Illinois, but those non-residents pretty much have to go through the same process and meet the same requirements as Illinois residents.

    This concealed carry bill would also apply in Chicago and would prevent Chicago from enacting any of its own laws regulating the carrying of handguns.
  8. GT1

    GT1 Well-Known Member

    This is(was) one of the first of many carry bills that will come up in the next couple months.
    It is not worth the paper it is printed on. It isn't going anywhere.
  9. Deanimator

    Deanimator Well-Known Member

    You DON'T want mandatory notification of cops.

    Google the name "Daniel Harless" for the reason why.

    We have mandatory notification in Ohio and the police have a history of abusing it. We're working to get that taken away from them since they can't be trusted with it.
  10. Phatty

    Phatty Well-Known Member

    If you happen to contact any IL State reps about the contents of a proposed carry bill, and want to mention the application fee, it may be helpful to compare the costs of other Illinois services:
    Cost to register to vote in Illinois: $0
    Cost to obtain driver's license in Illinois: Variable based on age ($0 to $30)
    Cost to obtain ID card in Illinois: Variable based on age ($10 to $20)
    Cost to obtain Illinois FOID: $10
    Cost to obtain Illinois concealed carry license: ???

    A driver's license, unlike carrying, is not a constitutional right and the most the State charges to obtain a driver's license is $30. On the other hand, there is no charge to register to vote, which like carrying is a constitutional right. I personally believe that there should be no charge to exercise a fundamental constitutional right, but if a charge is put in place, under no circumstances should it be more than what is charged for mere privileges such as obtaining a driver's license.
  11. xfyrfiter

    xfyrfiter Well-Known Member

    Look at NM if you want restrictions and high cost, even though a shall issue state it is stupid and should change.
  12. razorback2003

    razorback2003 Well-Known Member

    If you can add reciprocity, that would be great. That way if nothing else I can legally take a handgun to Chicago city limits and have it in my hotel room.
  13. gc70

    gc70 Well-Known Member

    Other than the FOID card and lack of reciprocity, most of the provisions look similar to those in North Carolina.

    Push for improvements in the bill and we might be able to emulate you; wouldn't that be a nice change.

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