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Divisive issues

Discussion in 'Activism Discussion and Planning' started by RevolvingGarbage, Mar 30, 2013.

  1. RPRNY

    RPRNY Well-Known Member

    Mar 8, 2012
    Front Range, CO
    Marriage, as regulated by Govt as opposed to as performed by a Church, is a form of contract. If a State govt sets the terms of contract, regulates the various and sundry benefits accruing therefrom, and regulates the process and terms for arbitration of breech or dissolution, then under the 14th amendment, no State shall make any laws that do not provide equal protection to all citizens and resident aliens. The State regulates marriage between couples that are unable to have children and does not require childbirth as a condition of the agreement. The State does not prohibit childbirth outside the agreement and in some jurisdictions determines couples to have entered into an agreement even if they have not sought State sanction (common law marriage). It is impossible for me to read the 14th Amendment without understanding that if the State regulates marriage, then it must do so for any two parties wishing to enter into it. Unfortunately, I also find it hard to understand how polygamy can be prohibited provided equity between parties to the agreement could be established.

    "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall...deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." How we as Second Amendment advocates can find that any harder to understand than "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" I do not understand.

    I don't have to like or approve of gay marriage. Others do not have to like or approve of private ownership of AR-15s with 30 round magazines. But until the 14th and/or Second Amendments are themselves legally altered or nullified, both are rights assured by the Constitution.
  2. PabloJ

    PabloJ Well-Known Member

    Oct 17, 2010
    To survive and prosper the Republican party needs to modernize and support issues majority of Americans care about. Each election cycle there are fewer and fewer wealthy old folks casting ballots for them and young Americans do not give a damn about the extreme right BS unlta-conservative agenda.
  3. Lost Sheep

    Lost Sheep Well-Known Member

    Aug 16, 2009
    The two cases before SCOTUS are less about marriage than about how the Federal government will apply the benefits allowed for married people. Joint tax returns, survivor benefits, inheritance processes, spousal benefits, visitation and parenting rights, etc.

    You seem to be one of the few voices that truly apprehend the core of the issues involved in these issues.

    To me, the REAL point is, "Who do you give the authority to make decisions on these matters?" I have trouble trusting any organization any more who says, "Just trust us. We got this and will not screw you over."

    The competent malefactor or incompetent benefactor, I don't trust either.

    Lost Sheep
  4. kwguy

    kwguy Well-Known Member

    Dec 17, 2012
    Pretty much.
  5. cfullgraf

    cfullgraf Well-Known Member

    Oct 19, 2010
    East TN
    In my opinion, the Republicans are more likely to support the Second Amendment and not implement more gun control.

    In part, the religious right extremists that think they are the Republican Party base are alienating the rest of the Republicans, the very people the Republican Party needs to succeed.
  6. alsaqr

    alsaqr Well-Known Member

    Jul 5, 2007
    South Western, OK
    IMO: Marriage, "gay" or otherwise, is an issue that should have never been addressed in federal law. It's a states rights issue.

    i voted Republican for 50 years. With the exception of our fine sheriff, last election i voted against all the incumbents except POTUS. In OK one has a choice of two presidential candidates on the ballot; no write-ins allowed. i left that one blank.

    In 1980 Lee Atwater decided that fiscal conservatism was no longer in vogue. He came up with a laundry list of feel good stuff and pawned it off as "conservatism". According to Atwater, we needed Constitutional amendments to outlaw gay marriage, flag burning and a host of other stuff. The so called "American Values Agenda" paid big dividends until the election of 2006 when the magic ran out.

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