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DNC Lawyers Work To Muzzle Swift Boat Vets' Ad

Discussion in 'Legal' started by JCOJR, Aug 6, 2004.

  1. JCOJR

    JCOJR Well-Known Member

  2. JimP

    JimP Well-Known Member

    Funny, I guess now they'll have to add the 1st Amendoment to the things they are against.
  3. mountainclmbr

    mountainclmbr Well-Known Member

    I just wonder what the Dems would have said if "W" sent his lawyers to silence Mickey Moore?
  4. JCOJR

    JCOJR Well-Known Member

    I'm just so happy to know that the stations are responsible for reporting the truth.

  5. Malone LaVeigh

    Malone LaVeigh Well-Known Member

    OTOH, Bush is on record through his spokesman as saying the ad should be banned. Not just that they disavow the ad or disagree with it. Since no one has seen fit to respond to my thread, I'll repeat it here:
    Now, what were y'all saying about the 1st Amendment?

    Source: http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS...rans/index.html
  6. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

    Kerry is freaking out over this, and he should too. If they can't discredit these guys it's all over for the war criminal.

    Kerry has setup his Vietnam service as the cornerstone (just about the only stone, actually) of his bid and now it is under heavy attack. Bush can't attack Kerry on this angle, because Bush wasn't in country at all, even though Kerry was only there for 4 months. So it's a loser for Bush to bring it up. These guys have standing to make this angle. If they can knock the pedastal of Vietnam out from under Kerry, he'll have only his senate record left, and there's nothing there.

    I love the semantic hide-and-seek both sides are playing with the 'served on the boat' bit. The swift boat vets don't actually say they served on his boat, but it is implied, and the Kerry campaign makes heavy use of the fact that the guys in the ad weren't actually on the boat, even though many of them were in very close proximity to Kerry for extended periods of time in boats right alongside his or in other positions that give them standing to make their individual criticisms.

    Alot of major league political maneuvering going on. Shades of the truth and innuendo. Lies by ommision. If nothing else, a very informative example of serious political hardball.

    - Gabe
  7. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

    I actually agree with Malone on that one... I couldn't believe it when McClellan started in with the 'unregulated soft money' horsedung. Invoking McCain-Feingold! That was digging deep. Bush said previously (right before he signed it :barf: ) that he thought it was unconstitutional. To invoke it now is a little on the hard-to-swallow side.

    Although I would bet that the tactical decision was probably made that he needed to stay as far above the war-record criticism as humanly possible, and that need overrulled the distaste of calling for a ban - which places the pres on as high a rung above this as he can realistically get.

    - Gabe
  8. R.H. Lee

    R.H. Lee Well-Known Member

    Well, George Soros has been spending MILLIONS trashing George Bush through moveon.org and Err America, now the DemocRATS are worried about a short little political ad?

    Hypocrisy, thy name is DEMOCRAT. :rolleyes:
  9. mountainclmbr

    mountainclmbr Well-Known Member

    Book "Unfit for Command" being released

    You can get one chapter e-mailed to you by submitting a request here:


    I haven't read the book, so I reserve judgement on it. On the other hand Kerry is considered a war hero by the communist government in Vietnam. That is about all I need to judge Kerry, sorry to say.
  10. GSB

    GSB Well-Known Member

    That may be true of the ad, but in every public interview I've heard, they've been very up front about the fact that they served in the same squadron, not the same boat.
  11. Malone LaVeigh

    Malone LaVeigh Well-Known Member

  12. sendec

    sendec member

    So is this guy recanting that he didnt say that Kerry was'nt a great guy, or that he said that Kerry was OK when he meant he was'nt, or was'nt qualified to say that Kerry was qualified, but not?

    This kind of feces is exactly why nobody who would make a good President wants the job.
  13. Monkeyleg

    Monkeyleg Well-Known Member

    Malone, despite the fact that your first post was a duplicate of one in another thread, and that I seldom agree with your positions on presidential politics, I have to agree this time with you. But maybe not for reasons you might think.

    The Swift Boat Veterans ads are going to hurt Bush. There's hardly a minute that goes by on TV when you don't see an image of Kerry in Viet Nam. Kerry doesn't have the foreign policy/military credentials (almost no candidates ever do, until they're elected), so he has to shore up the foreign policy/military question with his Viet Nam experience. It's a stretch, but it's all he has on the issue.

    By running these ads, the Swift Boat Veterans are just reiterating that Kerry was in Viet Nam. They might as well be running ads for him.

    The 10% or so undecided voters won't be won or lost by Kerry's service. If that were an issue, then Dole would have beaten Clinton in '96, Bush 41 would have beaten Clinton in '92, and Carter would have beaten Reagan in '80.

    Service in Viet Nam isn't the strong selling point that the Dem's think they have. Nevertheless, you don't go after your opponent by attacking a position where he holds the firm ground. It only plays to your opponent.

    Kerry has decades of votes and statements that can be used against him. If I were Carl Rove, I'd tell the Swift Boat Veterans to shut up.

    Or perhaps he already has, but they won't.
  14. STW

    STW Well-Known Member

    Seems we have a recanting of the recanting, or rather the claim that the story about recanting is in error. Since the story was written by someone who wrote a biography of Kerry and is being paid by the Kerry campaign to write the Kerry/Edwards campaign biography the bias seems evident. Essentially we have a pro Kerry story written by a unofficial Kerry publicist employed fulltime by the Boston paper. The paper doesn't see something wrong with this?:banghead:
  15. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    Well, half a leg, anyway.
  16. Hkmp5sd

    Hkmp5sd Well-Known Member

    I wonder where all of the people that were screaming censorship when Disney decided not to distribute Fahrenheit 9/11 are at. The sole reason to silence the Swift Boat vets is to prevent their message from being heard by the American public, aka censorship. If their statements are not true, then the DNC should sue them for liable.
  17. VaniB.

    VaniB. member

    You guys think this issue is going to amount to beans by Nov. 2 ?
    Bush better start thinking of ways to enhance his image and worry less about Kerry's war record!

    This makes for good discussion but will amount to a non- issue in the voting booth much like Clinton's unethical behavior.
  18. IAJack

    IAJack Well-Known Member

    Heard in an interview this AM about Kerry in Paris. He went there and tried to negotiate a peace plan or peace terms with the Viet Cong on his own accord. Not as a official rep of the govt or anything. This was after the war as part of the Fonda group vets for peace or whatever it was called. He should have been prosecuted for that but never was?
  19. Destructo6

    Destructo6 Well-Known Member

    Serving in the same squadron is "serving with". Serving in the same boat is "serving under".

    It is similar for aircraft.

    Malone, that's not exactly damning and is nowhere near the level of the letter.
  20. Hkmp5sd

    Hkmp5sd Well-Known Member

    It will to vets, which the democratic party has a bunch. Those that got their medals the hard way have a strong dislike for those that didn't. While they may not vote for Bush, they just might not vote at all.

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