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Do you call the cops?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by LightningJoe, Aug 26, 2006.

  1. LightningJoe

    LightningJoe Well-Known Member

    You're in a deserted parking lot one night and you're attacked by a lone individual. You're sure the guy is armed and intends to harm you.

    1] You reach for your gun. He sees you reach and runs away. Do you call the cops?

    2] You draw your weapon. He sees your weapon and runs away. Do you call the cops?

    3] You draw your weapon and fire it, but you don't get a good grip on it and you're sure you missed. The guy runs away. Do you call the cops?

    4] You fire your weapon and you're confident you hit the guy. The guy runs away. Do you call the cops?

    5] You fire your weapon and hit the guy. He falls down and you're absolutely certain he's dead as a doornail. Do you call the cops?

    6] You fire your weapon and hit the guy. He's incapacitated, but you can tell he's alive and may be saved by prompt medical attention. Do you call the cops?

    7] You fire your weapon and hit the guy. He's incapacitated, but he starts yelling. "I'm going to sue your ass off! My dad's a trial lawyer who's made millions off goofballs like you! I'm your worst nightmare!" Do you call the cops?

    People who carry guns presumably intend to use them for self-defense. They will have to answer one of the above questions or one like it if their gun ever earns its salary. Somewhere in all the mess above is the high road. But where?
  2. Azrael256

    Azrael256 Well-Known Member

  3. Geno

    Geno Well-Known Member

    Without question yes, always!

    Without question yes, always!

    Edited to add:

    Don't drive there to report it, thus leaving the scene, call the police ASAP. See the recent thread about an ex-LEO who shot and killed a scumbag and shot (and I think wounded) a fellow friend of the dead scumbag. The injured scumbag escaped, called and reported a murder before the ex-LEO arrived to the police department. Promptly upon the ex-LEO's arrival to the PD, he was arrested, charged and is now awaiting trial.

    See lead-in statement.

  4. Low-Sci

    Low-Sci Well-Known Member

    1) Yes. Protect the next guys who get there too.
    2) Yes. Still a good idea.
    3) Yes. They need to know that you shot, where, at what, why.
    4) Yes. Same as 3, but add that someone may need medical attention.
    5) Yes. And by the way, welcome to hell.
    6) Yes. You can explain the situation when they arrive; get an ambulance.
    7) Yes. What he's saying doesn't have any impact on the situation.
    Last edited: Aug 26, 2006
  5. haole_boySS

    haole_boySS Well-Known Member

    1-2 No
    3-7 Yes
  6. Geno

    Geno Well-Known Member

    Re: 1 & 2 no???

    If you do #1 and/or #2, then fail to report, you might be charged with brandishing. It becomes a lop-sided he-said.

  7. beerslurpy

    beerslurpy member

    Always yes. If you had a confrontation with another person involving your gun, you should immediately contact the police. The stance the take in resolving the situation will be heavily shaped by the initial contact. It is better to start with a clean slate than by having to debunk the lies of the other guy and then explaining to the police why you didnt bother reporting that you drew on someone.

    1) Brandishing and use of force should be reported to the police. Mere confrontation- use your judgement. The reason is that brandishing and use of force are both crimes unless you have a defense in employing them. The cop isnt going to hear about the reasons from the guy who was attacking you- he will only hear that a crime has been committed by you. Dont subject yourself to the risk. Call the cops first and make sure they have the story.
    2) Empty the magazine into assailant, walking fire up to the CNS. If you can't justify killing him, then you shouldnt have shot him in the first place, should you?
  8. depicts

    depicts Well-Known Member

    Yes to all questions. To protect yourself and other citizens, you should immediatly call the police.
  9. Vitamin G

    Vitamin G Well-Known Member

    1] Yes
    2] Yes
    3] Definately
    4] Absolutely
    5] Without Question
    6] Most Certainly
    7] In about 20 minutes... :neener:
  10. Biker

    Biker Well-Known Member

    I'd agree with Haole Boy, generally speaking.

    He must've lived in Wahiawa.;)

  11. gunsmith

    gunsmith member

    one & two, no most of the time

    just to much paper work & hassle.

    Most miscreant crack heads would just assume your an off duty cop.

    If I got the feeling that he was going to report it to the police I would call first.

    I've pulled my gun on a crack head (indexed finger and pointing at the ground)
    to keep him from cornering me and he left. I didn't expect a problem and didn't get one.
  12. psyopspec

    psyopspec Well-Known Member

    Yes to all.
  13. limbaughfan

    limbaughfan Well-Known Member

    yes to all but with 7 i would shoot him again,if it were in a legal situation
  14. Alex45ACP

    Alex45ACP Well-Known Member

    Just remember, dead men tell no tales.

  15. Superpsy

    Superpsy Well-Known Member

    #1 gives me the impression of him seeing me reaching but not actually seeing the gun. I would say yes for 2-7 but #1 isn't brandishing, is it? Of course, it makes sense to call the cops since the first to call gets to be the victim most of the time.
  16. Chuck Dye

    Chuck Dye Well-Known Member

    Enlightened self-interest can be a good thing...

    My first reaction was "Yes to all." LEOs have memories and create institutional memories for other LEOs. Get as much of a description of the bad guy and his MO into the record as you can.

    Then I considered my own history and realized that LightningJoe’s thread starter does not specify whether the intended victim is carrying lawfully. By my own acts I have said no to question 2, once for convenience, and twice because going on public record as having had a handgun where and when I did would likely have created far more trouble for me than the bad guys I drove off.

    Edit: Ooops! Sorry folks, I lost track of the parameters, the convenience no-call did not involve "is armed and intends to harm you." Of the other two, one was a first degree burglary turned armed robbery attempt, the other a straight on armed robbery attempt, both of the guns-beat-knives variety.
    Last edited: Aug 27, 2006
  17. Dmack_901

    Dmack_901 Well-Known Member

    It would be a real shame if your cell slipped out of your hands and into the gutter on number 6.

    But Huck Phinn has the real question. What if you we're just at a bar and we're slightly intoxicated. Or more mundane, you know you havn't renewed you ccw.

    KINGMAX Well-Known Member

    I don't dial 911

    around my house, we don't dial 911 :evil:
  19. Geno

    Geno Well-Known Member

  20. PennsyPlinker

    PennsyPlinker Well-Known Member

    No to 1 and 2. Yes to the rest. I have had to draw my handgun twice since I started carrying it 15 years ago. In both cases the bad guys instantly desisted from their intent to harm, and disappeared quickly. The first time was actually humorous after it was all over. Actually, both were kind of humorous after they were over. But I think they might be exceptions to the rule.

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