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Do you have a lawyer on retainer for CCW?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Navy87Guy, Jan 5, 2006.


Do you have a laywer on retainer for your CCW?

  1. Yes

    14 vote(s)
  2. No

    81 vote(s)
  3. Never thought about it

    6 vote(s)
  4. Retainer? I got rid of my braces years ago!

    1 vote(s)
  1. Navy87Guy

    Navy87Guy Well-Known Member

    I've been thinking about the "what if" I ever had to use my gun to defend myself or my family. When I was taking a training class last year, the instructor told us the first thing we should do when the police arrive at the scene of a shooting is tell them, "Officers, I'd be very happy to discuss this incident -- just as soon as I talk to my attorney." That sounds like pretty good advice...no matter who was "justified", a shooting is going to turn into an ugly legal battle.

    So, here's the question: how many folks actually have spoken with an attorney concerning the consequences of concealed carry. Are they on retainer to represent you? If so, how much does that cost.

    Thanks in advance for your replies.

  2. WT

    WT Well-Known Member

    I have spoken with my attorney regarding self defense. I paid him for the hour or 2 we spent together.

    I do NOT have him 'on retainer'.
  3. Erich

    Erich Well-Known Member

    Criminal defense lawyers are not put on retainer, at least in this state by solid citizens. :) I'd be a bit concerned if someone came in to my office and said to me, "Here's a bunch of money for your trust account; I'll be needing your services soon!" :what:

    As a criminal defense lawyer, my cell phone is loaded with the names of competent defense lawyer friends. And I tell all my gun owning friends to put my cell and home numbers in theirs.

    For free. :)
  4. Navy87Guy

    Navy87Guy Well-Known Member

    Maybe I misunderstand and mischaracterize the "retainer" part. Basically, I'm looking at having a lawyer with whom I've spoken about self-defense issues and I know will be willing to accept me as a client if it ever came down to it. I don't want to be pulling out the Yellow Pages after an incident and looking for a name that sounds good. I guess more along the lines of what WT described...a consulation and showing your face?
  5. Trip20

    Trip20 Well-Known Member

    Could doing so imply premeditation?
  6. Byron Quick

    Byron Quick Moderator In Memoriam

    Talking with a criminal defense lawyer about self defense issues and his willingness to defend a client in such a case could certainly be taken to imply premeditation to defend one's self. Any competent attorney would make any prosecutor so imprudent to pursue such a tactic to imply premeditated murder so foolish that he'd probably resign soon after. The snickers would get to him-sooner or later. That line of reasoning could claim that buying homeowner's insurance was premeditation for arson, in and of itself. Or that buying a concealable holster was premeditation. Or purchasing a firearm or even ammunition.

    The major newspaper in my region polls the region's attorneys for their pick of attorneys in various legal specialties annually. The criminal defense attorney that has made the cut for the past decade was my attorney when I was charged with carrying without permission. I keep his card in my wallet continuously.
  7. dolanp

    dolanp Well-Known Member

    I think the idea of finding a competent attorney, possibly meeting them if you can, and keeping their number is probably a good idea. The idea of a retainer is not necessary since they will be happy to charge for their services when needed. Keep the money you'd spend on a retainer in your savings instead if you prefer.
  8. Trip20

    Trip20 Well-Known Member

    Byron Quick -- Not sure if this will change your response, but to elaborate; my question was more towards premeditation in the sense of the CCW holder was "hoping to" shoot someone (i.e., prosecutions attempt to cast the defendant in a bad light, or vilify). I did not intend to isolate premeditated murder per se.
  9. bill2

    bill2 Well-Known Member

    What does it mean to have a lawyer on retainer? do you pay in advance and how does that change what happens when you call him for help?
  10. Snake Eyes

    Snake Eyes Well-Known Member

    When BATF came to visit, I hired an attorney to represent me. He asked for 4 hours worth of money up front. Suprisingly, it only took him THREE hours to explain the US Constitution to the agents.

    He wanted to give the fourth hour ($500) back, and I told him to keep it on account....that way if I ever had to call him at three in the AM, he would be more likely to take my call. He agreed.
  11. El Tejon

    El Tejon Well-Known Member

    ERICH! If there was one guy here who I thought I could rely on to say something like: it is customary to puchase one month of private lessons at Thunder Ranch (and pay his overhead for the month while the attorney is training) for a criminal defense attorney to give you his card, or something like that. But, noooo, you have to say that.:banghead:

    Navy, here's what I tell guys who ask me, call me and let's get a time on a like a Saturday or court holiday. Give me a list of the questions you want answered or topics addressed. We'll meet and I will answer them, orally or in writing. I get some real lulus in hypotheticals, "Mr. Tejon, what if I see a grizzly bear and a zombie in a fight? Can I shoot them both or only the undead?"

    I usually give out copies of statutes or admin codes, but nowadays the guys wanting to talk to me like this usually have 'puter research themselves (sometimes they bring it in and ask me about it).

    You pay me (I work for guns) and then let's go to lunch or go shooting, you pay for ammo.:)
  12. CubDriver

    CubDriver Well-Known Member

    I have given this some thought too. I recently obtained my CHL, and have been training and plan on starting to carry it when I obtain a level of proficiency I trust. I have pondered how to go about finding a lawyer, but have not looked into it in depth yet. How does some one find a good lawyer in their area, and further how do you tell that they are a good lawyer, what questions do you ask, etc?

  13. El Tejon

    El Tejon Well-Known Member

    bill2, "retainer" just means you have hired an attorney.

    General retainer: hiring an attorney (or law firm) for a period of time, e.g. insurance companies hiring law firms to handle slip and falls.

    Special retainer: Jimmy Lee went off his meds and done violated his probation, allegedly. LawDog swoops down to make the arrest. Big Mama hires El Tejon to represent Jimmy Lee on his alleged probation violation and get her baby boy out of the county jug. Note, Big Mama does not give El Tejon a bunch of money to just hang around (and to fitter away on guns, ammo, sushi and red heads). She only hires him by the job (typical in criminal setting).

    Retaining is usually thought of in a corporate setting. E.g., Badger Corp. pays White Shoe, White Shoe and White Shoe, P.C. an outrageous amount of money a year so that the firm will be Johnny-on-the-spot when they are sued or the SEC comes a knocking.
  14. El Tejon

    El Tejon Well-Known Member

    Cub, usually way you find a dentist or dry cleaner, ask around.

    Ask a lawyer, "if you got arrested, who would you call", or even better, ask a prosecutor.:D
  15. beerslurpy

    beerslurpy member

    Around here, most of the good defense lawyers start practice as prosecutors until they are recruited by a firm. I have lawyer phone numbers handy from when I investigated the traffic ticket business.

    Hopefully I get into law school soon so I will know first hand who is good and who isnt.
  16. MikeIsaj

    MikeIsaj Well-Known Member

    I'm taking a very loose interpretation of "on retainer."

    I have two lawyers that I have decided will be my first calls if I need any kind of representation in a criminal defense matter. I have no prior arrangement with them but I know their track record and they are the guys I will be calling.
  17. Chris Rhines

    Chris Rhines Well-Known Member

    My attorney is a shooting enthusiast and a gunsmithing client of mine. We have an agreement - I agree to field his, "What gun should I buy?" and, "Hey, can you fix this damn thing?" calls and he agrees to field my, "I'm in jail - can you help?" calls. :D

    - Chris
  18. Byron Quick

    Byron Quick Moderator In Memoriam


    Even with that line of 'premeditation' by a prosecutor; a competent defense attorney could make him look more foolish than he wants to look. For example, if the prosecutor smokes..."Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, by the prosecutor's same logic, he himself bought that lighter because he wants to commit arson. He bought condoms for he intends to commit rape and wants to keep the forensic team from obtaining his DNA. He bought food at the grocery store to encourage his wife's morbid obesity and early death so he won't have to divorce her and then pay alimony."

    It's a house of cards. Not only is it easily shown to be a logical fallacy but it's easy to make the originator look about as intelligent as a manhole cover while doing so. Some can't help it, but most prosecutors really, really hate being shown to be that stupid.
  19. Bubbles

    Bubbles Well-Known Member

    Don't have one "on retainer". However, hubby and I had a law firm with a very, very good defense attorney draft our wills. We have their phone # programmed into our cell phones.
  20. HighVelocity

    HighVelocity Well-Known Member

    I'm legal so I don't need a lawyer until I need a lawyer.

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