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Do you think I had whiner's rights?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by 280PLUS, Apr 2, 2005.

  1. 280PLUS

    280PLUS Well-Known Member

    Today I shot a 900 match at a range that I don't normally shoot at. During the entire time my next door neighbor's brass (.22LR) was flying over the wall and pelting me. During slow fire I had to time my shots between his so that I wouldn't catch a piece of his brass as I was taking MY shot. During timed and rapid it was like a deluge of brass came my way every string. One actually landed in the crook of my shootin' arm and stayed there. :scrutiny: I don't blame the other shooter, I blame the design of the ports. Needless to say, my scores weren't quite up to my usual. OK, they were pretty bad. I'm not saying this was the only reason I shot like a dog today but I know it didn't help!

    Is this considered to be part of the game or did I have a legitimate reason to gripe? Should I have brought it up with the range officer as soon as it became a problem? I just steamed and shot. I didn't want to come off as a whiner.

    Again, we weren't plinking, this was a fairly serious interleague match.

    I shot first, so I can't wait to hear the consensus of those who shot later as to whether this was a problem for them too. Having shot informally at this range in the past I was aware of this problem. Believe me, .45 ACP shells hurt a bit more when they bounce off yer noggin' than them puny .22s.
    I can't believe nothing has been done to correct the situation or nobody else is aware of it, it has existed for a while.
  2. Bear Gulch

    Bear Gulch Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't whine. But you might want to get involved with the range and offer supportive advice.
  3. 280PLUS

    280PLUS Well-Known Member

    good idea,

    But it's a bit far for me. It IS for sale though,,,

    Overall a pretty nice place too, except for the aforementioned flaw.

  4. Chris Rhines

    Chris Rhines Well-Known Member

    Part of the game. It is perfectly legal to attach a screen to your shooting box to deflect incoming brass - you see this at Perry sometimes.

    - Chris
  5. 280PLUS

    280PLUS Well-Known Member


    Next time I'm bringing an umbrella...

  6. Bear Gulch

    Bear Gulch Well-Known Member

    That is why I like the farthest left position on the range. Try it on the M16 Qual range in the military. 5.56 Cases get quite hot and when they land on you neck while shooting prone it isn't fun.
  7. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    The problem has been around as long as semi-automatic pistols. I know several shooters who attach wire mesh screens to the left sides of their pistol boxes, some small, some not so small.

    I moved a few tables down at an outdoor range today to get away from flying brass and noise from someone's semi-automatic pistol, only to find myself next to a fellow with a Smith & Wesson 500. It definitely interfered with my concentration. Definitely a livelier gun than I'd care to shoot!
  8. Rabid Rabbit

    Rabid Rabbit Well-Known Member

    No you can't whine about it. But you can use it as a learning experience and plan ahead. Change your position, build a screen try to get a position next to a post etc...I've been in the same situation with rifles where the guy with the martini <sp> from 6 points up range was nailing me in the head in prone. I just moved my gear 1 ft and end of problem.
  9. 280PLUS

    280PLUS Well-Known Member

    Thanx for the input folks.

    Definitely a learning experience. Turns out we won the match by 40 points even with my crappy score. I mentioned this to my team cap'n cause we happened to be emailing back and forth and he also tells me about screen material and spring clamps. So it would appear I done got smarterer today...

  10. entropy

    entropy Well-Known Member

    No, you don't. Try shooting on the right hand side of someone shoooting an M60 or M249 sometime. Then you can whine. ;)
  11. 280PLUS

    280PLUS Well-Known Member

    you know...

    Just for FYI. This was an indoor range with walls between the ports. Now I've shot at quite a few indoor ranges in my day and this is the first and only one I've shot at that allowed the brass from another shooter to literally pour over th3e top of the wall into my space. During timed and rapid I had 2 or 3 shells bouncing around my port all at the same time. It just don't seem right is all. Not when, in the past, I've had guys whine at ME for uttering an expletive (not loudly) to myself after a bad shot. I was "disturbing" the other shooters. I have since learned not to do that. Exactly how I'm going to build this little shelter should I shoot this range again is beyond me at this point. It involves a bit more than just clamping a screen to my gunbox. Live and learn though. I'll figure it out.

  12. 17RemFan

    17RemFan Well-Known Member

    AN :) Y day at the range is a good day
  13. 280PLUS

    280PLUS Well-Known Member

    Yea, you're right.

    I coulda been working... :eek:

  14. 45Badger

    45Badger Well-Known Member

    I'll call the Whaaaaaaambulance! for you :D

    Better than work, better doing the kid shuttle and grocery shopping, better than waiting for the damned rain to end!

    OTOH, hot brass on the collar bone can hurt! :eek:
  15. AK103K

    AK103K Well-Known Member

    so what your saying is, you cant shoot under pressure with distractions. :neener:
  16. rust collector

    rust collector Well-Known Member

    Whining doesn't help, but the lesson in this may be

    a. Make sure your gun isn't doing the same thing to the shooter on your right, and

    b. A bit of felt and some gaffer tape, tacks or clothespins might have helped to cover the port or you to let you concentrate.

    This may fall under the heading of blue moon shooting lore, I dunno. I view the brass trajectory like I view my boat wake--I made it and I'm responsible for it. I like to police my brass anyway, so have been known to fiddle with my ejector to tone it down in some instances.
  17. 280PLUS

    280PLUS Well-Known Member

    Masking tape and cardboard were my thoughts.

    5 minute prep time too, not to beat the dead horse.

    "so what your saying is, you cant shoot under pressure with distractions"

    Apparently not yesterday...


    Remember though, if you've shot a few hundred matches and never had this problem before you can get pretty riled up when it does happen.

    Chances are I won't even shoot at this range for the next year. This was a yearly "Allstar" event which is why I was taking it pretty seriously. I'll know better next time. I wasn't looking to break any records, but coming somewhere close to my average would have been nice...


    Thanx for listening and all the input though, it's been helpful.

    I feel much better now... ;)
  18. anapex

    anapex Well-Known Member

  19. Owen

    Owen Moderator Emeritus

    It's part of the game. I have never shot with barriers between shooters outdoors; indoors the barriers are a convenience.

    When you build your brass barrier, keep in mind that there are restrictions in the rules about size and material (it has to be see through for instance).

    Were you shooting at MSI? I seem to recall having that problem there.

    Owen (waiting on a Hardball Gun)
  20. Bear Gulch

    Bear Gulch Well-Known Member

    I never realized that was such a problem.

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