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I can understand how you must ask these questions as a result of requirements from the insurance companies. But the insurance companies are requiring this as a CYA to prevent lawsuits.

This is being driven by attorneys. This is NOT being driven by concerns for my health. Nothing in your previous two posts suggests that you are looking out for your patients (not to suggest that you don't) by virtue of your responses. You are looking to comply with legal requirements.

I am not faulting you for this. This is a manifestation of a corruption of perspectives. Medical professionals know how to do their jobs without pesky interferences by lawyers, if only they were allowed to do so.

I am sure I'm not telling you anything you don't already know. But before malpractice suits became an industry, doctors were much more free to practice their profession for the specific benefit of their patients, not the lawyers.

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I agree completely. These repetetive questions are merely cya to keep the lawyers happy, or a way for insurance companies to avoidind paying. You are absolutely correct when you say that in "the good old days" your doctor could look after you very well without lawyers , government and insurance companies telling him what to ask.

I do resent some posters implications that some doctors are benefitting from acquiring this info ...ie: selling it to some agency for profit. No how, No way. That would be criminal, and against all HIPPA laws.
I'm out. Good eye-opening discussion on many different viewpoints. Thats why I love THR
 
Physical "Mental" Health

It seems that some physicians assign themselves to the role of something like a "whole life counselor" where all aspects of the patients life are under review.

We are to defer to the doctor's superior education and social status as we are lectured about aspects of our life outside our physical bodies.

Keep in mind that current "conventional wisdom" in medicine is that "mental health" is, in fact, physical health. Medicine has accepted that the mind == the brain and the brain is an organ on which surgery can be performed and to which "medication" can be applied.

This leads to all manner of overreaching.

Of course, acknowledging that the mind may not entirely reside within the confines of the brain opens the door to the possibility that there might be some validity to the precepts of religion, and a number of special interest groups within "medicine" have gone to some considerable lengths to eliminate that line of thinking altogether.

For the record, to those who would assert that all thought, all emotion, all desires, and all feeling are entirely the results of physical processes, I have this to say: I disagree.

And I think that partially identifies the problem many have with this "medical" attitude that all your think are belong to us.

 
^I'm not sure how we took this turn in the conversation. We're talking about counseling behavior, so how does this tie in to philosophy of mind?
 
We took this turn in the conversation because some of us live in parts of the nation where the nanny state has intruded into private lives on a scale unimaginable in other parts of the country. People from the northeast are programmed to make excuses for obnoxious behavior, while people from free states won't tolerate it. If you live in a MA or a NY you have to live this way, or you might get upset. You have to convince yourself that the state has a right to do anything it wishes. You will find that most of the defenders are indeed from that part of the nation. Oh to live in a free state again. I am so tired of my bend over neighbors here in NY.
 
I had a nurse come into the exam room some years ago and told me she had a short survey of questions to asked me.
That was one of the questions. Along with some other questions, my reply was, "no comment". Acually before the survey was completed, I politely told her I would not answer any more of her questions since they were irrelevant to my medical history.

I had been going to this guy for about 5 yrs. I never brought it up with him, and he never did either.
 
I've been seeing my current doctor for about 4 years now, never had that asked. Now that I carry, I'm just waiting for the day he catches a glimpse of my gun during an exam, hopefully that day doesn't end with me needing to find a new doctor!

Mine doesn't seem like the type to care though, he pretty much addresses the current issue, and any MEDICAL concerns, and other things are left to be other things.
 
my doctor and i usually at least mention bullet casting, reloading, or a new powder or load one or both of us have tried recently. i have been with him since my son was born in 2001. and i will be with him as long as i can.
 
This type of rationalization, pretending that insurance companies must force Drs to ask this kind of stuff, reminds me of the wiggling done by our schools when confronted with stupid stuff. They always blame educrats on the state level or fed level. Then most of the opposition just goes away. I say baloney. This trend of questioning is taking place because people tolerate it. So many stupid things take place simply because people tolerate it. They make excuses for its existence then bend over like sheep and accept the foolishness. Sorry, I'm just getting too old for it. I guess I need a public school course in conformity.
 
Does it matter why they ask? It is none of their business no matter how concerned they are. Until they are willing to answer those same questions and give me free range of their insurance info and medical records, I will refuse to give them mine. The less they know outside of why I am in their office, the better. The info you give them goes on record. At any time those records can be requested(with proper paperwork) by the authorities(whoever they may be)...even if you committed no crime(look at the patriot act and amendments). Just because they claim to have you and everyone elses' best interests in mind.

I changed my mind, even if they offered me full disclosure of their info, I still would not want to give them mine.
 
On the lighter side

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A few years ago I took a young friend (and shooting buddy) who was pregnant to see her doctor. As with most young mothers, she was concerned about her pregnancy and doing what was best for her child, so she asked the doc, "What about shooting? Is it noise safe for the baby?" The doctor didn't even flinch (apparently in his practice this was a common question) as he replied, "No problems with shooting, but I don't like the 4-wheeler until after you give birth!" I'm glad I live in SC!

Oh and by the way, shooting is one of my personal doctors favorite past-times. We share stories all the time!

Shoot Safe, Shoot Often Shoot tens!
 
"What about shooting? Is it noise safe for the baby?" The doctor didn't even flinch (apparently in his practice this was a common question) as he replied, "No problems with shooting,

My wife is currently pregnant and we were told by her doctor that shooting could damage the babies hearing. And I don't doubt it. I had a banquet for my trap league a couple weeks ago and while we were walking in, the baby was going nuts because I'm assuming she could here the guys shooting.
 
What would you expect from a Doc on Syracuse, NY, Hunterdad? I'll bet this same MD wouldn't mind a bit if you went to a hip-hop concert where the bumpin' and thumpin' would frighten your little fetus to death. He/she would probably end up being born with a diaper worn low on its butt and a nose ring. Just put a pair of headphones on your bride's belly and hammer some clays.
 
AFAIK, no studies have been done specifically on shooting and fetal development, but there have been studies that link occupational sound exposure to negative fetal effects. I, personally, would err on the side of caution, but the choice is obviously up to you and your missus. There are certainly differences between occupational sound exposure and gun report.

Edit: regardless, hubby does the gun cleaning!
 
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My GP guy isn't fond of guns as he had a murder in the family (Uncle killed his aunt and her best friend after a seemingly minor argument, went to work and claimed he found them that way when he got home.), but he just said, "Be careful!", when he saw my nose that had a burn on it from a 9mm case that bounced off the sides of the booth at the range and went under my glasses. Amazing ricochet! My orthopedic doc took me into his office and showed me his Beretta Steel, all SS 92 he had just picked up that morning at the GS I was going to after I got done with him. Nice.
 
Just because a question is on a form, doesn't mean you have to answer it (unless some legal authority is cited, such as on a Form 4473). I would guess that most doctors would ignore the non-relevant questions and the non-responses thereto. The doctors are generally too busy to be bothered with this PC stuff.
 
I think most of you guys need to quit going to doctors and just die in your 40s and 50 like people did a couple hundred years ago.
 
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