Don't you think Open Carry is safer than CC?
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Owen Sparks
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We may disagree on which mode of carry is best, but can we all agree that this should be decided by the INDIVIDUAL rather than the state?
I think the logic isnt that it has happened but moreso that it can happen
robbers are not all the bumbling idiots we hope they are
they can be just like you or me or that highly trained monster some of us have dreamed up but the logic behind it is still the same
if you can think it it can happen and i can think of some messed up stuff
and the easiest explination of this is what would you do if you robbed a gas station and saw an armed person inside?
in reality alot of places DONT get robbed because criminals are like electricity and take the path of least resistance but...
it could still happen because humans are unpredictable especialy when they are not thinking rationaly like someone robbing a store would most likely be
NavyLCDR
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Owen Sparks said:
ABSOLUTELY +1!
The OC v. CC has been beat to death, resurrected as a zombie, which was dismembered with a samurai sword, came back to life as a vampire and killed yet again with the wooden stake.
The facts are that felons say that dealing with a citizen who is KNOWN to be armed is simply too much trouble for them. Why deal with the guy with the gun when they can wait 5 minutes for them to leave, or go down the street one block and find a plethora of targets not visibly armed? Why try to take a gun off the belt of an armed citizen when they can buy one illegally on the street or steal any firearm they find unattended, often times from police vehicles?
http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/5.1/gun-facts-5.1-screen.pdf
Pages 30 and 31.
Personally, I'll believe the felons when they say they will just move on to a target that is not KNOWN to have a gun, which is very easy for them to do. I'll show them my gun right up front on my belt and hope to deter the crime from happening to me to begin with rather than hoping to use my gun to defend against a crime already in progress.
I fully admit that open carrying will not deter every crime. The gun is not a magic wand. But I will take the odds that are in favor of determent.
I will give TexasGunbie credit, he started the exact same debate for the 100th time with a new spin on the same question.
Sky said:
Absolutely correct, Sky. At Camp Liberty and Camp Victory in Baghdad, Iraq, the Army made me keep my M9 unloaded. At Walley World I carry my gun with 1 in the chamber and 10 in the magazine loaded in the gun!
NavyLCDR
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And here is yet more proof AGAINST the theory that open carry causes one to be targeted first:
http://www.ammoland.com/2009/07/19/gun-owner-saves-lives-in-the-richmond-va-golden-market-shooting/
http://www.ammoland.com/2009/07/19/gun-owner-saves-lives-in-the-richmond-va-golden-market-shooting/
jerkface11
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I don't think we should be restricted to just carrying handguns. Oh and I want open carry because I bought that nickle plated 1911.
lwknight
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It seems that some of us are thinking that OC mens walking around with the big 6 gun swinging in a low cut holster. It would be a perfect situation if OC were legal and CC legal and optional with specific laws protecting partial concealment.
That way we could have a nice, tight, comfortable, and retrievable weapon that we could keep in a non blatant manner and not worry about printing or some bogus brandishing calls.
OCers don't have to make a spectacle of themselves at all. I do believe that if OCing , you are going to be viewed with respect if you dress the respectable part.
Dressing like a thug and displaying a weapon only makes the intimidation factor worse and will fuel the antis fire.
I see a lot of lawmen that wear nice jeans and a pressed shirt with a good leather belt and holster that no one even looks to see if there is also a badge displayed with it.
Dress right and don't display your big 6 gun like a Tombstone wanna be.
Keep your head up and eyes open.
You can obscure your gun discretely like when guys gotta scratch the itch.
I think it would be more acceptable that way.
And I think forced CC is not right and creates an extra burden.
That way we could have a nice, tight, comfortable, and retrievable weapon that we could keep in a non blatant manner and not worry about printing or some bogus brandishing calls.
OCers don't have to make a spectacle of themselves at all. I do believe that if OCing , you are going to be viewed with respect if you dress the respectable part.
Dressing like a thug and displaying a weapon only makes the intimidation factor worse and will fuel the antis fire.
I see a lot of lawmen that wear nice jeans and a pressed shirt with a good leather belt and holster that no one even looks to see if there is also a badge displayed with it.
Dress right and don't display your big 6 gun like a Tombstone wanna be.
Keep your head up and eyes open.
You can obscure your gun discretely like when guys gotta scratch the itch.
I think it would be more acceptable that way.
And I think forced CC is not right and creates an extra burden.
General Geoff
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Just as an aside: The gentleman who foiled that robbery with a .45 Colt single action revolver, had amazing grace under fire. Not only did he manage three hits from four shots fired, but the trigger on his gun broke halfway through the ordeal, and he still managed to get off more shots with his gun by dropping the hammer manually. That, right there, is legendary discipline under stress.
NavyLCDR
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You mean like this, lwknight?
lwknight
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NavyLT, that reminds me. I meant to add
Smile a little, it helps build trust. Not too much though. People don't trust someone that smiles too much . LOL!
Seriously though , your demeanor has a lot of affect
Smile a little, it helps build trust. Not too much though. People don't trust someone that smiles too much . LOL!
Seriously though , your demeanor has a lot of affect
killchain
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No. Because what the bad guy can't see, he won't try to either eliminate first or take from you.
lwknight
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killchain , you don't have to have flashing noen lights on your gun.
GETxSOME
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I'd still be classified as a "soon to be CC'er", but I think I would prefer to CC in most cases.
The only exception that I can think of right now is when I'm working at the family business (of which I'm a Partner). We own a small DVD rental/Tanning salon in a town of around 2500 people. We only have one person working at the store at a time, its easy enough to run on your own. I think I'd like the idea of carrying openly at the store for three reasons:
1.) It's a small town, and it wouldn't take long for everyone to know that I'm packing and the store shouldn't be targeted.
2.) fast access to my firearm in the event of an attempted robbery.
3.) It would be a conversation starter, giving me the opportunity to "educate" people about the importance of responsible gun ownership/rights.
The only exception that I can think of right now is when I'm working at the family business (of which I'm a Partner). We own a small DVD rental/Tanning salon in a town of around 2500 people. We only have one person working at the store at a time, its easy enough to run on your own. I think I'd like the idea of carrying openly at the store for three reasons:
1.) It's a small town, and it wouldn't take long for everyone to know that I'm packing and the store shouldn't be targeted.
2.) fast access to my firearm in the event of an attempted robbery.
3.) It would be a conversation starter, giving me the opportunity to "educate" people about the importance of responsible gun ownership/rights.
Erik M
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Id prefer to cc in public. In my life, OC is reserved for family functions like BBQ or fishing. I'd prefer not to show the public what kind of gun I own, but thats personal preference. If my state tried to outlaw the right I would fight for it.
JohnBiltz
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I have the choice and I conceal. I don't really care what others think. I've made that choice. I think if I walk into something its immediately escalating because I have a gun out in the open. Concealing gives me more control and more choices. Nor do I think having a gun makes me invulnerable. That gun on your hip doesn't cover your back. I've seen a guy dare another guy to shoot him after he pulled on him. The whole time he just kept walking up on him with his hands empty. The person who ran was the one with a gun. Some times being crazy trumps being armed and not wanting to go to jail. I don't count on people just running from a gun.
ChCx2744
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It really depends. I'll address the pros and cons of OC in my opinion:
Pros:
-Bigger/heavier guns = more accuracy and more firepower/mag capacity
-Faster draw
-May serve as a deterrent, but it may not (See cons)
-You can show it off
Cons:
-You will stick out like a sore thumb, especially to those anti's that live amongst us.
-If not a deterrent, you will be a target.
As you can see, I favor the pros over the cons of OC. I personally prefer CC only because I don't want any unwanted attention from others, but OC can have it's benefits.
Pros:
-Bigger/heavier guns = more accuracy and more firepower/mag capacity
-Faster draw
-May serve as a deterrent, but it may not (See cons)
-You can show it off
Cons:
-You will stick out like a sore thumb, especially to those anti's that live amongst us.
-If not a deterrent, you will be a target.
As you can see, I favor the pros over the cons of OC. I personally prefer CC only because I don't want any unwanted attention from others, but OC can have it's benefits.
TexasRifleman
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I guess that one depends on where you are. Living in Texas I can't OC but occasionally when I'm in Arizona I will just because I can and so far I haven't even had anyone give me a second look when I've carried. I mean literally completely ignored.
And of course the more people do it the less of a problem that will be too.
lonegunman
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Open carry is a quick way to get hit in the head with a brick or shot from behind. There is always the potentional for people to mistake an OC'r for a cop and request he intercede in their drama.
The great majority of Americans already believe that the 2nd amendment gives Americans the right to bear arms, OC-ing adds about as much to the debate as those gay rights guys screaming at passers-by with bullhorns add to the debate on gay marriage.
Do you really think two guys with 1911's could handle two CARLOADS of guys with rifles if they decided to go for it?
The great majority of Americans already believe that the 2nd amendment gives Americans the right to bear arms, OC-ing adds about as much to the debate as those gay rights guys screaming at passers-by with bullhorns add to the debate on gay marriage.
Do you really think two guys with 1911's could handle two CARLOADS of guys with rifles if they decided to go for it?
TexasRifleman
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Which happens how often?
You have a MUCH greater chance of getting killed in your car on the way to work, do you stay home on the off chance that a semi will hit you?
No one has shown anything at all that even hints that you have a greater chance of being a victim of violence by open carrying. Nothing. So why does everyone keep on being absolutely convinced this will happen?
Seems strange to me, almost paranoid. It seems that there is some "gut feeling" that horrible things will happen that come from no reality at all. I think that it comes from hearing the anti's arguments for so many years that even some pro gun people have begun to believe some of them.
NavyLCDR
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Then why do only 3 states have Constitutional carry?
TexasRifleman said:
Never.
mcdonl
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I prefer to keep my carry status unknown. I have no issues when people OC, I do under certain circumstances but for the most part I like it to be my little secret.
easyg
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In my humble opinion....
Open carry is like pinning a "shoot me first" sign on your back.
Open carry is like pinning a "shoot me first" sign on your back.
NavyLCDR
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easyg said:
Criminals don't pay attention to signs. Isn't that what we tell anyone who wants to prohibit guns somewhere?
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