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Dothan, Alabama LEOs are kids in candy store

Discussion in 'Legal' started by CZ 75 BD, Jun 21, 2006.

  1. CZ 75 BD

    CZ 75 BD Well-Known Member

    If this was you me, I doubt we would be typing or reading right now.


    Dothan gun audit prompts call for disciplinary action
    6/21/2006, 5:53 p.m. ET
    The Associated Press

    DOTHAN, Ala. (AP) — Disciplinary action will be recommended for Dothan police because an internal city audit of firearms in the department's evidence room found little care was given to tracking guns, some of which ended up in the hands of officers.

    Chief John Powell's recommendations to the City of Dothan Personnel Board will include letters of caution, reprimand and suspension. But Powell said he will not recommend any terminations and that none of the policy violations reveal criminal action.

    "We've followed down all the leads we had and have recovered as many guns as I think we are going to," Powell said Tuesday. "I want to commend the officers that returned the weapons."

    Powell stressed that the audit goes back many years and that many of the officers involved were not aware of the department's policy or that they were breaking those policies.

    The findings of the audit were reported by The Dothan Eagle, which got a copy of the audit Friday through a public records request.

    More than 760 firearms were verified as existing in the room and recorded in the department's computer system, but 170 guns listed were not found.

    Among the findings: Guns were taken for personal use and guns listed as destroyed were being used by officers; guns assigned to one officer ended up with another; guns reported stolen were never returned to owners but kept by officers; and weapons were "checked out" to city employees in other agencies and even to private citizens.


    Information from: The Dothan Eagle

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  2. Car Knocker

    Car Knocker Well-Known Member

    I always thought that taking something that didn't belong to you was called theft.

    Silly me! :rolleyes:
  3. FTF

    FTF member

    Thank god for the 'blue line'... you can steal as many guns as you want... probably get a promotion for it. :cuss:
  4. kel

    kel Well-Known Member


    It's just a perk of the job, like drunk driving. Every job has it perks, you know?
  5. carpettbaggerr

    carpettbaggerr Well-Known Member

    I don't really see a problem here. I'd have trouble sending a nice gun off to be destroyed. Melt a rare old S&W or falsify some paperwork? Hmmmmm
  6. DeepHelmet

    DeepHelmet Member

    Recovered stolen guns are IMMEDIATELY returned to the rightful owner after being processed for prints etc. I've personally called owners to a scene of a traffic stop to recover his guns. He had to wait for crime lab to process them, but then he was off. Keeping those for personal use is clearly theft, and should be prosecuted.
  7. jrou111

    jrou111 Well-Known Member

    A coworker friend of mine was a gunsmith as a Dothan pawn shop, where the former sherrif and his wife were taking the confiscated guns and pawning them. IIRC, they are in prison now.

    Many of the guns had "bodies" on them :eek:
  8. Vex

    Vex Well-Known Member

    Would anyone rather these guns were destroyed? I remember a thread a while back where the majority opinion was that guns should be given back to law abiding citizens or used by police before being destroyed.... and now that this is happening, the majority opinion has conveniently switched to oppose the police?

    Hell, for all we know, the cops could be true supporters of the 2A, and are risking their jobs to make sure these guns are properly used instead of destroyed.

    The hipocrasy is quite annoying.
  9. mzmtg

    mzmtg member

    So I'm a hypocrite because I want cops to be prosecuted for STEALING GUNS in the same fashion that they would prosecute me?
  10. YellowLab

    YellowLab member

    Ummm it the LAW to destroy them. Its not the LAW to have crooked cops keep them for thier own.

    How about if the crooked cops do what WE have to do, VOTE, rally support, get changes LEGALY impemented? Naw..... what was I thinking.

    Shut up and PAY YOUR TAXES. sheep.
  11. Vex

    Vex Well-Known Member

    Just trying to get a consistent opinion on what to do with these left over guns.

    YellowLab, you're right. Insulting me is constructive. :rolleyes:
  12. mzmtg

    mzmtg member

    These pieces (PUN!) of evidence should be handled or disposed of as proscribed by state law.
  13. Daniel T

    Daniel T Well-Known Member

    True, but it's not coming from where you think it is, which isn't a surprise to anyone except maybe you.
  14. HankB

    HankB Well-Known Member

    Vex, do you also feel the officers were doing a good deed when
    I believe that most THR members - myself included - regard this as, at a minimum, receiving stolen property.
  15. Zero_DgZ

    Zero_DgZ Well-Known Member

    Not to mention theft of a firearm, which was a felony last I checked. And a shrewd prosecutor could also cram posession of a firearm during a felony in there, too.
  16. Hawkmoon

    Hawkmoon Well-Known Member

    Apparently theft is not considered a criminal act in Dothan, AL.

    Questionable judgment by the chief. If any of us went out and robbed a bank or a gun shop, you you think the chief would hand us a commendation if we gave the loot back five years later? I doubt it very much.
  17. Pilgrim

    Pilgrim Well-Known Member

    I suspect some high ranking friends of the Chief were involved, in and outside the department.

  18. Vex

    Vex Well-Known Member

    Hank, I'm sorry, but I don't want you to have the misconception that I think stealing is okay. I wasn't condoning the actions of the officers. I was merely playign devil's advocate in an attempt to find out why in one thread the majority opinion is to save the guns, while another thread advocates destroying them.

    I want to know if the officers were using the guns for duty, or taking them home for personal enjoyment.
  19. Ironbarr

    Ironbarr Member In Memoriam

    Maybe it's how they are "saved" and how they are "destroyed".

  20. Hawkmoon

    Hawkmoon Well-Known Member

    You're fighting the wrong argument.

    I'm all in favor of homeless guns being used, or transferred in some way to legal owners, rather than see them destroyed. But ... there needs to be a legal procedure for doing so. Whether or not you recognize it, what you are calling hypocrisy ... isn't. While I would like to see the homeless gunds saved, that desire stops several meters short of thinking it might be okay for police officers to (a) steal the guns from the evidence locker; (b) prevent the return of stolen guns to identifiable legal owners thereof; (c) falsify official records; (d) ... (what am I forgetting here? There must be more laws being broken than just the trhee I listed.)

    I don't see any hypocrisy whatsoever. Are you telling us you think it's okay for the police to steal, falsify, and deprive lawful owners of their property under any circumstances, and for any reason?

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