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Educate me on "End the freeze on gun violence research"

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by mcdonl, Jan 18, 2013.

  1. mcdonl

    mcdonl Well-Known Member

    So... I have said, and hear many times "Guns are not the problem...." "My guns are safe and have never hurt anyone" and other such statements.

    And I believe them.

    In my mind, research on what causes gun violence will uncover criminal activity, alchohol/drug abuse and mental issues as the root causes.

    Why is it bad that we allow this to happen?

    Are we worried about the CDC lying to us? They are a government organization. They lie to us everyday.

    Not taking a stand, looking to be educated because when I was approached with an argument on this topic I was un-prepared.
  2. robert garner

    robert garner Well-Known Member

    Well,since no one seems to remember the CDC being told to cease and desist,by one of our previous Presidents, The CDC did do a study on gun violence which(surprise,surprise) found that guns were evil and the major cause of crime, as this was the desired result of the study in which no facts were allowed that did not support the premise.The CDC was defunded and told(Your a Bad Man, your a Very Bad Man) to stick with diseases.
    That's my take, perhaps others will clarify,sorry for not being too precise.
  3. mcdonl

    mcdonl Well-Known Member

    That is sort of what I have been finding, but I am thinking that today 300,000,000 +/- guns later (likely owned by some of those good folks at the CDC) the data may find that simply owning a gun is not a threat to your health. As a matter of fact, the research could show it is good for your health.

    This, again... is where we can do some good. Someone must know someone who is a researcher and could get involved in studies like this even just to fact check.

    We all agree, what they did the first time was try to use the CDC against us... I just suggest that we figure out how to use them FOR us...
  4. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

    All research was blocked. This in the face of the Dept. of Justice study concluding that there was nothing conclusive about the AWB of '94 having a beneficial effect on violent crime rates, the National Research Council study saying the same thing, and the CDC study saying the same thing. I agree that it is important to use these studies in our argument against another AWB to counter the emotional appeal to people's ignorance and to show any bans are a waste of time and resources in reducing violent crime.

    I never understood why the CDC study is particularly brought up over and over as an anti meme in the firearms community when it didn't validate the AWB. The conclusions from all the big government studies on the effectiveness of the AWB in reducing violent crime made equivocal statements hedging their bets, but not a one trumpeted the AWB as a success. All of them simply concluded there was nothing indicating the effectiveness in gun control laws reducing violent crime rates. That's the same conclusion that can be drawn from the FBI's Uniform Crime Report showing violent crime rates (including murders committed with firearms and rifles) falling ever since the expiration of the AWB. Semiauto firearms don't reduce violent crime rates, but they don't increase it either.

    We do ourselves an injury when we regurgitate things and don't actually go to the source and read them for ourselves. This is the same for the AWB studies as it is for "news" on the net.
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  5. Solo

    Solo Well-Known Member

    IIRC, the last CDC study on the subject yielded inconclusive results for or against gun control. (http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5214a2.htm)

    Personally don't see the harm in them conducting a study. If it comes out on our side, that's great. If it is inconclusive again, that's fine. If it's negative, we can dispute it.
  6. markdaniel

    markdaniel Well-Known Member

    Heres a few facts for the cdc. Number of crimes committed by weapons from the dawn of time 0%. number of crimes commited by criminals since the dawn of time 100%.:what:
  7. Sauer Grapes

    Sauer Grapes Well-Known Member

    I think it's been studied as about as far as it can be. I think the problem is, we know what causes violence, but nobody has a solution.
    The only easy step is to limit firearms. It's the wrong step, but it makes everybody think they government is doing something about it.
  8. Skribs

    Skribs Well-Known Member

    Sauer hit it on the head. We have two options:

    1) Try and fix the problem of violence in our society. This means looking at our prison systems, economy, social structure, and the general attitude of Americans.

    2) Ban the tool best suited for use in these crimes.

    #2, however, supposes that criminals will follow the law.
  9. gossamer

    gossamer Well-Known Member

    I'm going to repeat myself here: thank you. Facts > myths.
  10. coloradokevin

    coloradokevin Well-Known Member

    So now they'll do research...

    So, this article implies that the current administration will be circumventing prior congressional mandates to fund anti-gun research through agencies like the CDC.

    Personally, I have never understood why the Centers for Disease Control should be at all involved in researching "gun violence".


    These guys aren't going to stop until all guns are banned. It becomes more and more clear every year... they win on a couple of points, lay low for a few years, then come back crying for more "reasonable" restrictions a few years later, at which point the whole cycle begins again.
  11. Sol

    Sol Well-Known Member

    Because some "medical professionals" believe that owning a gun is a disease...kind of like alcoholism.
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  12. SuperNaut

    SuperNaut Well-Known Member

    They will have to go after the '86 FOPA. I think it will be soon.
  13. Clean97GTI

    Clean97GTI Well-Known Member

    Well Kevin it would seem to have backfired as the supreme court has struck down two long standing gun bans in DC and Chicago and incorporated the 2nd amendment against the states all within one presidential term.

    But to answer your question, the CDC maintains records of how people die in this country. There is a lot of valuable statistical data there and we should put it to good use. Hopefully the CDC can draw some correlation between gun violence and gang activity and poverty so we can begin implementing real solutions instead of blaming guns.
  14. There is a federal law against it and no EO can change that.
  15. Just One Shot

    Just One Shot Well-Known Member

    Because they can bypass the BATFE, the 2nd amendment and regulate guns through the CDC if the label them as a health problem. :scrutiny:
  16. Steel Horse Rider

    Steel Horse Rider Well-Known Member

    This guy has a record of ignoring the law and nobody in the Legislative or Judicial Branches has shown the courage to point out his illegality so I see nothing that will prevent him from doing what he wants.
  17. rdhood

    rdhood Well-Known Member

    Don't be naiive. There is too much risk to our 2nd rights for that. The CDC will draw whatever conclusion that the current administration , be it Dem or Republican, wants them to draw. If a CDC researcher comes to a conclusion that is contrary to the current administration's stand on guns/gun control , that report will never see the light of day.
  18. r1derbike

    r1derbike Well-Known Member

    Those real solutions may likely give gangbangers a monthly stipend, food stamps, and limit their drivebys to daylight hours, as well as ammo rationing.

    Maybe some free illegal drugs thrown-in to sweeten the deal.

    Remember the free syringes for mainliners?
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  19. MErl

    MErl Well-Known Member

    but if we can save just one life... :)

    It is harder to keep unwanted studies quiet today. if anyone researching it wants it out there and it gets blocked, wikileaks to the rescue.
  20. 12gaugeTim

    12gaugeTim Well-Known Member

    If I had to guess, CDC research would conclude with something like, "Owning a gun makes you 4x as likely to commit suicide with a gun."
    Because yeah. If you don't own a gun it's hard to commit suicide with one. But that isn't going to stop you.

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