Enfield jungle carbine

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A good friend gave me a no. 5 mk1 "jungle carbine". It had been refinished (blued) and the stock is synthetic. When I first got her I had accuracy problems. I decided to clean the bbl. It was in pretty bad shape. I used J & B bore paste and a lot of elbow grease. Once I got her clean the accuracy improved greatly. The bore measures .311 so bullets are no problem. It even shoots the foreign ak bullets very well. I finally found a -.030 front sight which puts the battle sight to point of aim. As for the wandering zero - not true. That is a myth as the soldiers that were used to the heavier no 4's could not tolerate the recoil of the no. 5. I strictly use handloads for this fine carbine and she shoots 3moa at 100yds. I fully expect to see those figures shrink when I find a better load.

Show me another bolt rifle that you can drop in the mud and have her up and running with a few swipes of the bolt (removed, of course) with your shirt tail, clear the bbl. of any obstructions & resume firing.

I consider the lee enfield to be the best bolt battle rifle ever. I have no reseverations of taking it hunting as it will kill anything that walks and does so with absolute relaibility and with an action that is as smooth as butter.

I also hunt with my trusty marlin .30-30. Yea, I know it's out dated, underpowered, but the deer and hogs apparently haven't got the message.
 
Personally, I got a No4 Mk1 that had a chewed up stock. The chamber is perfent, according to my favorite gunsmith and so is the barrel. I only thing I did was put a recoil pad on it and replaced the back sight with a better yet still mil spec sight. I did put a new smaller front sight on it, one with a little brass bead on it. It puts up the target great at my three hunderd yard range. I plan on stripping down the stock and putting a better matte finish on it to protect it from the weather.

The main problem on the No5 JC had to do with the weakened recievers that had metal shaved off to lighten the weight of the weapon. This caused the reciever to wrap under recoil and extended firing.

Personally, I hope to find another No4 mk1 or mk2 and make my own No5 with added on parts and with barrel length and stock length to my specs. All you really need is the mullze flash add on, be able to cut down the forearm and I would put a good recoil pad on it besides the bastard butt end piece the Brits used. But, I did see a shooter use a recoil pad for a SKS, one with a hole in the middle to get to the flip plate on the butt, and it looked good and works great. ALso you can add the side mounting sling mounts.

22lr
 
The trials #5's were made NEW with some #4 parts, but all the production #5's are built new as #5's. If you happen to have a factory (Fazakerly, Maltby, BSA, Long Branch, or Savage) converted #5 that started out as a #4, then you have a priceless collectors piece.

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The target was set at 100 yeads, loads were remington brass and primer, 40gr IMR4895, Sierra SP spitzer. 5 Shots from sand bag bench.

I don't have a "wandering zero" issue with my #5mk1 Fazakerly 8/45.
 
The "real" Jungle Carbines (not the cut down butcher jobs) are fine rifles. The "wandering zero" isn't a problem with mine, and I have read some information stating that this was a figment of the imagination in order to get post-WW2 Britain to adopt a semi-auto rifle.
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I agree. No wandering zero with mine, and a friend's No 5. Nothing wrong with the Jungle Carbine, except one big muzzle blast.
 
22LONG RIFLE - Are you implying that the receiver (lightened) actually warps?

Never heard or seen that one before. I think the Brits. would have figured that one right off the bat when they were testing them. Just doesn't hold water.
 
I have a cut down No 4 that was made to look like a No 5. It was sold to me at a gunstore as an "English Mauser". I paid 115 about 12 years ago.

Funny how simple things get confused.

I would not cut one up if it was in original condition.

If you want a short one, just keep looking around, you will find one.

I am considering haven an AK-47 muzzlebreak attached to mine and getting a plastic stock. It would make a good rough country rifle.

The 303 is not underpowered. I have no idea where that is coming from. The Key is that is has a good cross sectional density. Soft Points are avaliable.

It is certainly got enough power for ANYTHING you would encounter here in Florida. From pig to skunkape.

You can get an adapter that lets you fire 32 magnum/32 longs, great for busting varmints at short range.
 
to the original poster and not you thread jacking interweb jockeys... (lol)i think that if you want a good hunting enfield you should go with the ishapore 2a enfields from aimsurplus.com. i recently got one and i love it. it is accurate even with silver bear cheapo .308 ammo(about 3 moa out to 300 yards) i am soon to install a williams peep sight to see what a longer sight radius will do.
 
351 WINCHESTER

That's what I ment, the sinus meds have me not so clear in the head....

I would think so too, but that was the answer an older gentleman and gunsmith gave me. He is pretty shapr on these things.

I also read this in a gunrag by a great, IMHO, if not the greatest writer Gary James. I just saw it on G&A TV this week also.

A third source, same story, was by an old WW2/Korea vet who was an army gunsmith.

Now, I doubt its going to happen to any No5 that we own. This could be due to the WAY we shoot our's. Remember, the Enfields came put some lead down range quick. WW2 users weren't shooting a few rounds off the bench, they were slinging 20-25 rounds a minute, on the average, towards the enemy. This causes ALOT of heat. And I'm sure the heating and cooling of the already weakened reciever, by the shaving from the factory to lighten the weapon, weakened the steel in the reciever more. And this could cause the warping of the reciever.

In a simular incident, I ruined a singleshot 28ga during a dove shoot last year. I shoot maybe three or four boxes of shells during a hour to hour and a half stretch of great hunting. I leaned the gun again my MEC portable stand I had setup just long enough to wipe the sweat for my head, get a swing of water and one for my pup, and sent her off to start collecting our birds. The barrel of the gun curved to the right when I noticed it! I took it to my gunsmith and asked him to straighten the barrel back. He stated the metal was stretched and a weak spot had developed, the barrel could not be saved. So now I have a 28ga "blanket gun".

I'll just have to agree to disagree with you on this.

22lr
 
Aussie

the 22lr trainer is the NEXT rifle I'm getting!

BTW, I'm needing to settle an aurgement.....what is the stock that Croc Dundee has on his Enfield during the 2nd movie. You can get a good look at it when the BGs find Dundee's retreat and they have captured Wally and showing him to Dundee. Dudee shoots the BGs trucks and Wally (don't worry, he lives) and goes off in the bush. I've asked this to the folks over at surplus rifles, but they don't know.

22lr
 
Joe

I ment to say when I get an Enfield that is in pretty bad shape. I personally like the looks of the JC, but being 6'1", I like a little bit longer barrel and stock. I've got the carbine parts kit from gunparts and just waiting for a project rifle to come my ways.

My no4 mk1 has a great stock trigger and is a great shooter. The only thing that was wrong with it was the buttend of the stock was looked like it was chewed on by a beaver! I ordered another used stock and a brass buttplate for it. So I put a recoilpad on the chewed up stock. I'm looking for a better front sight still, a thinner one and possibly FO one from WILLIAMS. Hopefully this will help my eyes in the early morning.

BTW, I know its consider a "sin" to some folks to add somethings to these older weapons. But, if it keeps an old war horse back on the range or field, I think its better than keeping it as a wall hanger. I buy weapons to shoot, not to look at. "Monty" was going to go to be sent off and converted to 7.62 x 54r, but its got a near perect chamber and barrel keeps me from it. Its going to be my deer/coydog rifle in the woods til I get the cash up to have it reblued, walnut stock set, and the barrel re crowned. Then I'll have a beautiful piece of history that will still kill every deer and coyote in a two mile radius!

22lr
 
Don't sporterize it. Buy one that's already sporterized. When you sporterize a military rifle you ruin it's collectible value. You'll spend money and end up with something that's worth less than what you started with. If you're smart however this can be turned to your advantage. Just buy one that someone else has already butchered. There are plenty of them out there and that way they eat the cost and you get the rifle you want.
 
When I see antoer set of five Enifield receivers on gunbroker for $200 again, I'm selling the youngest in slavery to get them!

Collectible value is in the eye of the beholder. My "Monty" was isssued in turket and CAI got it and remarked it and sold it to someone else then I got it. All it is is a post war rifle.

22lr
 
22LongRifle, I agree if you run a lot of ammo thru one I can see how the receiver could heat up to the point where it would warp. I'm not planning on shooting mine quite that fast.

Thanks for your input.
 
There's no reason why a good no. 5 won't do the job as is. The oversized aperture is handy as well!
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Yep, I'm not saying that the #5 was a dog out of the gate. I would like to get a post war one and then life would be good! But with everyone swapping them up, I think I'll have to settle on a homemade one from a crappy #4. Hopefully the barrel will be bad also and I'll have an excuse of turning it into a 308 as well.

Aussie, don't give me anymore rilfe I need to get! Those are some great looking rifles. I'll keep some money set aside for one if I ever come across them.

22lr
 
fitting up stage

I was working on the trigger guard fit to get the proper two stage on it. So it was off about six times that day. Sad about that barrel, the last 4" the rifeling is pitted. It still shoots 3 MOA, good for a pig it my conditions.

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I shot a #5T in 7.62X51 one time that could put three in nickel at 200 yards. I have wanted on like it for a long time now.


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MJ
 
MJ, you MUST have struck a deal with the devil, because you come up with some of the COOLEST stuff!

I have never heard of a 7.62X51 #5mk1T! There has to be only one in the world (which will be in your vault soon, if I read my tea leaves right!)

grumble..................
 
All this talk about Enfields made me go into my bedroom to fondle one.
 
I have an original #5 that shoots very well and has never had any zero problems.

I bought one of the Ishpore's in 7.62 and put a Leupold scout scope on it. Dang thing shoots 1 1/2" and better. It just needs a trigger job now.

What scope mount is that on all these guns?
 
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