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Even if you used to work for the ATF, playing can make you put your foot in it.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Matt G, Sep 5, 2004.

  1. Matt G

    Matt G Moderator Emeritus

    Dec 21, 2002
    N. TX
    ...or put your foot somewhere. . .

    Careful with those flashbangs, friends! (or any fireworks, for that matter.)

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    Fire chief may lose foot after grenade accident

    05:35 PM CDT on Monday, August 30, 2004

    By Carolyn Mungo / 11 News

    HUFFMAN - A home in rural Magnolia is now under watch by federal agents
    and the Montgomery County Fire Marshall. Both agencies are launching an
    investigation after a 911 call Friday night.

    911 Operator: "What's going on there?

    Caller: "A firework blew up and caused some major trauma to the foot of
    a 32-year-old male."

    911 Operator: "Are you there with him right now?"

    Caller: "Yes."

    911 Operator: "Is he conscious?

    Caller: "Yes."

    911 Operator: "Is he breathing?"

    Caller: "Yes."

    11 News has learned that several Cy-Creek EMS workers were reportedly
    partying at the home Friday night when a grenade went off near the foot
    of a Huffman Assistant Fire Chief.

    Here's the second call to 911:

    911 Operator: "Okay what's going on there?"

    Caller: "This traumatic injury to the foot from an explosive firework.
    I'm a paramedic supervisor with Cypress Creek. The last lady I talked
    to, I told we're going to need a helicopter to Hermann."

    Caller: "Half his foot's gone."

    911 Operator: "Half his foot's gone?

    Caller: "Yeh."

    911 Operator: "Okay."

    The home is owned by a paramedic with the Cy-Creek EMS.

    Sources tell 11 News the explosion came from a flash-bang grenade, a
    device used by federal and local SWAT teams. It's not licensed for use
    by medical personnel.

    11 News has confirmed the homeowner used to work for ATF.

    In a statement the Cy Creek EMS President said: "We are aware of an
    incident that took place over the weekend and unfortunately one
    individual was seriously injured. We understand some of our personnel
    were present at the time of the accident and we are looking into the

    11 News has learned the victim may have to have his foot amputated.

    Meanwhile, because of the nature of the explosive device, Montgomery
    County is looking into possible criminal charges


    Paramedic linked to 'flash-bang' snafu for 2nd time
    Ex-federal agent named in Friday's blast investigated in July incident
    Copyright 2004 Houston Chronicle

    MAGNOLIA - A former federal agent connected to a "flash-bang" grenade
    explosion that hurt a Huffman man during the weekend is suspected of
    misusing a similar device in Hempstead in July.

    Gene Williams Jr., 42, head of the tactical medical squad for Cypress
    Creek EMS, is under investigation by the Hempstead Police Department,
    where he was a reserve sergeant, accused of exploding a "flash-bang"
    grenade in a parking lot there during the city's Watermelon Festival in
    late July.

    Hempstead Police Chief Glenn Smith said Tuesday that Williams, who had
    been in his unpaid reserve position for 20 months, resigned Saturday, the
    day after the Magnolia accident.

    Smith said the Hempstead case is pending with the city attorney.

    Meanwhile, federal authorities confirmed Tuesday that Williams was an
    agent for the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in
    Beaumont until about six years ago. They could report nothing about his
    background or reasons for resignation.

    Williams declined to discuss what happened Friday.

    Smith and Ruben Gonzales, president of the Cypress Creek EMS, confirmed
    Williams is under suspicion of having a role in the explosion Friday

    Investigators say that about 10 p.m., an explosive device went off near
    Steven Cosby, 26, a Huffman assistant fire chief, who lost part of his
    foot in the blast. Cosby remains in good condition at Memorial Hermann
    Hospital in Houston.

    Gonzales said Williams is on unpaid leave.

    Sources familiar with the Magnolia case say the device involved appears to
    have been a law enforcement-style "flash-bang" grenade. Flash-bang
    grenades generally are used to temporarily disorient suspects, such as in

  2. monsternav

    monsternav Member

    Jun 12, 2004
    Lexington Park, MD
    Ahh, yes. Only the government is qualified to have firearmes or other devices. :mad:
  3. Bob R

    Bob R Active Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    The Dry Side of WA
    Ah yes.........the "tactical medical squad". Am I the only one who thinks this may be part of the problem?

    Why not just a "medical squad"?

    Maybe I can bring up this concept at work....Hey boss, what we need is a tactical ER team...you never know what may come in the door!! If fact here in week or so, I may be able to provide tactical arms for the team!!

    This could come in handy, especially when I am getting ready to put a foley into someone!! FLASH>>>BANG..Pt (wha...wha...what..) Me (lubing and sliding that foley home before they know what invaded them!!) Pt (hey..where did that come from!?)

  4. 4570Rick

    4570Rick Participating Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    South of Left Angeles in Casa De Santa Ana, Caulee
  5. effengee

    effengee Member

    Apr 22, 2004
    In a house near Bennington, Vermont, USA, North Am

    Since when do EMS personnel carry flash-bang grenades???
    I rode ambulance for three years and can't remember a single case where we needed to blind and deafen our patients...

    What is an ex-ATFE guy doing messing around with flash-bangs at social functions anyway???

    This sounds like the idiot who used to like to spray the portable O2 at people for fun, until he got kicked off the squad for wasting the supplies and creating a major fire hazard...

    I seem to remember another officer who thought he put the pin back in and then stuck the armed flash-bang into his cargo pocket...

    Or the cop who shot his fingers off because he was trying to move a weapon by the muzzle and the trigger...
    I guess he didn't realize they are the most dangerous parts of a gun...

    Just proves that a badge is no substitute for intelligence.
  6. cracked butt

    cracked butt Mentor

    Jan 3, 2003
    SE Wisconsin
    Doesn't sound like a bad idea. Had one of them once and probably would have had a better experience if someone hit me with a flashbang first:eek:
  7. MagKnightX

    MagKnightX Active Member

    Aug 12, 2003
    What, pray, is a foley, and why does it need to be lubed and slid home?

    edit: Google is my friend. A catheter, eh? Owies.
  8. Art Eatman

    Art Eatman Administrator Staff Member

    Dec 22, 2002
    Terlingua, TX; Thomasville,GA
    Lots of folks have stuff like the flashbangs as souvenirs. Nothing all that unusual, there. Heck, just look what GIs haul home with them.

    But most souvenirs don't get misused in such a doofus way. This guy just isn't playing with a full deck. His notions of "humor" are, at best, warped. Sounds like he's got all the common sense of a mouse in heat...

  9. kentucky bucky

    kentucky bucky Active Member

    May 25, 2003
    Eastern Kentucky
    I think we know why he's a "former" agent!:what:
  10. Ex-Doc

    Ex-Doc New Member

    Jun 15, 2003
    Foley= garden hose shoved in the little hole in your unit. Home=your bladder.....
  11. R.H. Lee

    R.H. Lee Mentor

    Jan 26, 2004
    Why does this stuff always happen in the South?

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