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Ever hear of a 7mm 12gauge Over Under Combination??

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by ZDriver96, Feb 24, 2013.

  1. ZDriver96

    ZDriver96 Well-Known Member

    Came across a gun that has a 12 gauge barrel on top with a 7mm rifle underneath. It has 2 separate triggers for each. It has flip up sites on it for the 7mm. I know very little about over and unders in general and have never seen one with a rifle shotgun combination. Can anyone tell me about these types of guns and how much they are worth?

    Ok found out its a CZ584 Model 4

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  2. Hardtarget

    Hardtarget Well-Known Member

    Compared to the gun described...mine is a mouse gun. I have a savage, mod 24, .22/410. I've carried it for small game for fifty years.

    The gun you saw is probably much more expensive. Is it European made? With more info I'm sure someone can get you close to the real value. Can you post a picture? That will help.

  3. natman

    natman Well-Known Member

    Pictures would help, as would the manufacturer. Valmet and Brno used to make combo guns in centerfire chamberings. The 7mm is possibly 7x57 or 7x57R, which is the rimmed version.
  4. ZDriver96

    ZDriver96 Well-Known Member

    Ill try and get those pictures up here today. My friends father purchased a couple dozen guns from an estate sale. He basically just grabbed the whole lot of guns that were with the estate sale. I recognized some of the guns as being quality budget and or well taken care of. I did not recognize any higher priced rifles but none were cheap models.
    For instance he had a savage bolt action 30-06 fluted with brake barrel and a Leupold scope (not sure of model type but a minimum of a 200 dollar scope). He also had a CZ bolt action 22LR with bull barrel.

    So quality rifles... just have no idea on this 7mm 12ga over under.
  5. Sav .250

    Sav .250 Well-Known Member

    Most, if not all over-unders I`ve ever seen had the rifle barrel on top.
    To bad you don`t know the maker.
  6. SDC

    SDC Well-Known Member

    The Russians and Czechs havemade several o/u combination guns that would fit this description, but we'd need to see some pictures (especially of the markings) to know exactly what you've got.
  7. ThorinNNY

    ThorinNNY Well-Known Member

    Sounds like a European hunters gun to me.Supposedly many European countries allowed a person to possess only 1 one gun. If true, I guess having that o/u rifle/shotgun set up or a Dreilling 2 shotgun barrels with a lower rifled barrel was about as good as a hunter could do.
  8. Skoghund

    Skoghund Well-Known Member

    Here's my Merkel 211E from1976. 12 over 7x57R

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  9. oneounceload

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  10. Gordon

    Gordon Well-Known Member

    That Merkel pictured is worth $3000+ US, cash right now.:what:
  11. ZDriver96

    ZDriver96 Well-Known Member

    Those are some fine looking firearms fellas.. Always thought over and unders were neat. Here are the pictures I have. Sorry they are kinda blurry. ...Ok really blurry

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  12. browningguy

    browningguy Well-Known Member

    Yes, the Germans made them in all manner of caliber and gauge combinations.
  13. ZDriver96

    ZDriver96 Well-Known Member

    Ok found out its a CZ584 Model 4

    I still am unable to find out much information on this gun. But I believe it was an $850 gun a couple years ago. I dont know how the current political environment has changed the price of these.. From what I've been able to gather is that this gun is well liked and reliable. But I could have guessed that being its a CZ.

    Anyone have experience or knowledge of this firearm?
  14. cal30_sniper

    cal30_sniper Well-Known Member

    That is absolutely gorgeous. What a work of art.
  15. natman

    natman Well-Known Member

    Some of the CZ 584s were chambered in 7x65R. That's would be a bit of a project to find ammo for, although Prvi Partizan and Sellier & Belloit do offer it.
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  16. oneounceload

    oneounceload member

    It should say on the barrel which 7mm it is
  17. SHR970

    SHR970 Well-Known Member

    You'll find some info at the link


    There is an easy way to figure out if it is 7 x 57R or 7x54R without a chamber cast. All you need is a spent 7.62X54R with the neck cut off. If it drops all of the way in you have a 7X54R. If about 1/4" or more is sticking out, you have a x57R. Th x57 is ~.473 at the base...the x54 is about .489. Due to the taper and the different base diameters, the x54 will stop short in the x57 chamber.
  18. ZDriver96

    ZDriver96 Well-Known Member

    appreciate it fellas
  19. Mp7

    Mp7 Well-Known Member

    "maybe because some european nations only let u have one gun"

    ....hahaha. No.
    Just because we like beautiful guns, like to carry light,
    and since we have a shooter qualification ... most people
    don't feel like a 2nd shot will be needed :evil:

    i personally would not shoot a deer with an AR. Unless its TEOTWAWKI
    and it`s the only rifle available. So... a Stutzen, or a combo gun/drilling
    is the way to go. Just IMHO.

    Nice find.
  20. oneounceload

    oneounceload member

    SOME nations DO restrict the number of guns, but from what my friends tell me who live there, the drillings and similar are popular because you might run into a variety of game while on a hunt - from hares to stag or boar and then some pheasant. Having one gun that "does it all"as US pump guns like to say is more apropos with a drilling or vierling

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