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Ex ATF head's corruption exposed

Discussion in 'Legal' started by The-Fly, Oct 12, 2006.

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  1. The-Fly

    The-Fly Active Member

    Nov 1, 2005
    Northern Colorado
    read all the juicy details below.

    (this redirects to a yahoo news story, the orginal url is a huge mess)

  2. Leatherneck

    Leatherneck Senior Member

    Dec 28, 2002
    No. Virginia and Northern Neck
    Truscott was not the first political appointee to ignore the ethics rules that the rest of us have to live by. Abuse is the norm these days in some parts of fed.gov.

  3. hammer4nc

    hammer4nc Active Member

    Jan 2, 2003
    Petty bickering among senior execs in a corrupt agency...(yawn)

    Misuse of funds...wake me up when anyone does any jail time.

    All this stuff is typical, inside the beltway kleptocracy infighting.

    The gun community shouldn't waste any of their own effort, or be too distracted with these issues. Rather, don't lose sight of ATF's freedom-robbing activities that continue unabated. I'm thinking most recently of the gunsmith confiscations, gunshop license revocations and harassment, import kit/restrictions, etc. Perhaps the remainder of this thread ought to discuss those issues.

    We have a very real possibility of a political shift in the '06 and '08 elections. Factions within the ATF will have no qualms about throwing down with gun owners if gun-grabbers get control of the executive and legislative branches.

    Don't be distracted.
  4. LAR-15

    LAR-15 Senior Member

    Mar 1, 2004
    Did some BATFE agents quit because of this guy?
  5. JohnBT

    JohnBT Elder

    Dec 26, 2002
    Richmond, Virginia
    I don't know, I quit following the story when it broke in February.

  6. Kim

    Kim Participating Member

    Nov 19, 2003
    I think he should be charged and found guilty of a felony and his 2nd amendment rights stripped from his warm hands. Then let him see how it feels when he can not petition the BATFE to restore those rights. JUSTICE.
  7. carpettbaggerr

    carpettbaggerr Participating Member

    Nov 13, 2003
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  8. Malone LaVeigh

    Malone LaVeigh Senior Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    Washed out of Four-dollar Bayou. Now I'm... somewh
    Who is responsible for this bozo's appointment and how long was he allowed to serve?
  9. hoover

    hoover New Member

    Dec 27, 2006
    ATF Demon Agency

    :evil: During my exhaustive research of the Helen Brach murder investigation there is a clear pattern that I see. ATF Rotunno is an expert at deception to support his theories. Before ATF Rotunno leaked the Plemmons lies to the media he was heavily promoted as a great man in a book called Unbridled Rage by Gene O’Shea.(I want to make it clear that all I say about Gene O’Shea and his book are just my and a few others opinions.)

    I feel that this was part of Rotunno’s plan to win public opinion of what great work he had done of getting people convicted for murders. Then his new fabricated story would carry more weight. In Unbridled Rage a lot of stories about Silas Jayne and his family are told by Rottunno and other law enforcement agents. After all the lies I have pointed out about ATF Rotunno’s disregard for the law and lying, do you believe his stories?

    Rottuno paints a picture to support his con. Gene O’Shea appears to be his P.R. man. Not once throughout this book does he say anything negative about Rotunno. It appears to me and a few others that O’Shea has a hidden agenda in writing this book!

    He really sucks up to Rotunno a lot. I and some others are very, very suspicious of Gene O’Shea becoming Illinois Gaming Commissioner. Did Rotunno or his ATF buddies have something to do with Govenor Blagoavich appointing him to be Illinois Gaming Commissioner?

    He was a reporter at the Daily Southtown newspaper in suburban Chicago while working very close to Rotunno then he becomes Illinois Gaming Commissioner. Very, very interesting! I think this should be investigated! What do you think?

    In the 1995 Ken Hansen murder trial, Hansen’s defense attorney O’Donnell says as Gene O’Shea writes in O’Donnell’s opening statement, “The state’s case was nothing more than fabrication, woven from lies and stories of paid witnesses who were working hand in hand with federal agents to rebuild the tarnished reputation of the Bureau of Tobacco, Alcohol and Firearms, O’Donnell said.”

    “An unholy alliance was created a few years ago, that alliance was between William Wemette, a man who has to please people who pay him money, provide him housing, give him free telephone service, and a unit of government called ATF,” O’Donnell said. “The ATF in 1993 was probably the most discredited law enforcement agency on the face of the earth after the Waco disaster and Ruby Ridge. They desperately needed to seek to rehabilitate their image before the public.”

    William Wemette was and FBI informant from 1971-1989. Then the ATF gets new information from him in the 90’s about a murder that happened in the 50’s. Very, very suspicious looking! Maybe another ATF setup! What do you think?

    O’Shea writes about the 1995 Bailey trial, “Judge Shadur found that Bailey had conspired to murder Helen Brach based on a “preponderance of evidence.”

    This is just from Joe Plemmons testimony! Bailey was convicted of stealing from rich woman. But to sentence him for conspiring to kill Helen Brach on Joe Plemmons word alone looks real weird to me!

    O’Shea writes, “On a moment’s notice Rotunno would find himself switching gears from a suburban family man with a wife and three daughters to his undercover persona as a ruthless drug dealer who “moved” truckloads of marijuana. Gang members came to admire Rotunno, nick naming him “Red” because of the government-issued undercover hot rod he drove, a fully loaded red Mustang.”

    So Rotunno is a trained liar. I bet he is so good at lying that he could look you in the eyes and make you believe his lie. He can probably lie constantly to a lie detector and pass the test!

    O’Shea writes, “Rotunno, with all of his years of undercover work, had honed his instincts, and trusted them. His intuition had gotten him out of a jam on more than one occasion; sometimes he just knew he was right about a suspect or theory.” “Like many lawmen, Rotunno was very good at reading personalities. He often relied on his internal lie detector when sizing up witnesses and informants. Rotunno was also a guarded individual. He rarely shared his opinions or true emotions, and when he did, it was only around those he trusted. Rotunno’s guarded demeanor would pigeonhole him as “bad cop” in an interrogation situation.”

    So once Rotunno creates a theory he will do whatever it takes to support his theory. In the Helen Brach murder investigation, he has lied and fabricated evidence to support his theory. He thinks he is above the law. He has broken the law over and over. Why should Rotunno be able to break the law and not be fired and prosecuted?

    Remember ATF Bob Hauffman saying on Jan 10, 2005 on “60 Minutes” that he could substantiate one of the three ATF woman agent’s claims that ATF agents sexually harassed them. He went on to say that all the criminals that he has put away in his career, all of them have more honor than the top official in the ATF! He said I know this is a sad commentary but that is my experience as an ATF agent! How can we blame ATF Rotunno? He is just following their example!
  10. SuperNaut

    SuperNaut Senior Member

    Jun 19, 2006
    SLC, Utah
    So, all the idiotic stuff we see CTU personnel do on "24" is actually closer to reality?
  11. The Deer Hunter

    The Deer Hunter Senior Member

    Aug 20, 2006
    Chairborne HQ, MA :(
    The entire government is corrupt in some way or another. Hell, Deval Patrick is throwing a week long 1.3million dollar party because he got elected. Not his money but tax money and noones done anything about it.
  12. Blackfork

    Blackfork Participating Member

    Aug 26, 2006
    East Texas
    Good people just trying to do their job.

    That's how the head of the local BATFE unit here described the Branch Davidian debacle on a talk radio show recently. That's probably comforting to the children who were shot, burned, gassed and crushed to death.
  13. dfaugh

    dfaugh Participating Member

    Dec 10, 2004
    Considering all the recent "abuses" by the ATF, I find it (sadly) amusing that they're going after him for having some ATF employess help his kid with his homework!
  14. Libertylover

    Libertylover New Member

    Oct 15, 2006
    Deer Hunter, care to PM me some citation of this 1.3 million dollar party?
  15. Deanimator

    Deanimator Elder

    Mar 30, 2006
    Rocky River, Ohio
    Find a picture of the Davidians, then Google "Good Old Boy's Roundup", then Google "Black + ATF + Agents + settlement".

    It'll be clear why he said what he said. I'm sure Klaus Barbie would say the same thing about Juergen Stroop and Joachim Peiper.

    Several BATF agents were pulled from the church burning investigation. There's a reason for that.
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  16. feedthehogs

    feedthehogs Participating Member

    Jan 8, 2003
    Corruption in the federal government for the most part goes unpunished unless a scape goat is needed.
    Its like the dog chasing its tail. Who investigates the corrupt politicians who investigate the corrupt politicians?

    FBI, CIA, BATFE, etc heads are all politicians.
  17. RustyShackelford

    RustyShackelford member

    Apr 27, 2006

    I remember a federal bigwig named John Magaw(check spelling) who ran the old ATF agency when it was under the US Dept of Treasury. He cut funding for field agents and operations but got in trouble for passing his own big bonus through the system :rolleyes: . This guy was a retired USSS agent(Secret Service) who ran the police/LE section of the VA(US Dept of Veterans Affairs). When the 083 police officers in the VA wanted to push for federal LEO status to get more pay/benefits, Magaw fought hard against it(even when he RETIRED under the same USSS employment conditions).

    The fraud/waste/abuse this guy caused as a federal employee was just as bad or worse! :cuss:

  18. Phetro

    Phetro Member

    Feb 1, 2006
    I agree with your premise, but you seem to imply that had only adults been massacred at Waco, it would somehow have been more palatable--and that's where I draw a huge line. NO tyranny is acceptable, against ANYONE.
  19. Art Eatman

    Art Eatman Administrator Staff Member

    Dec 22, 2002
    Terlingua, TX; Thomasville,GA
    ATF bashes over affairs that have nothing to do with us aren't THR material. Bash elsewhere.

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