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FAL vs G3

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by White Horseradish, Oct 6, 2004.

  1. White Horseradish

    White Horseradish Well-Known Member

    I would really like to get an EBR in .308. FAL has always had some appeal to me, but the G3 looks interesting as well. I have no direct experience with either, so I'd like some opinions. FALs look to be a bit more expensive these days. So, should I save up for one or the other?

    Did I just open a can of worms?;)
  2. Bwana John

    Bwana John Well-Known Member

  3. Norton

    Norton Well-Known Member

    FWIW...I've decided on an FAL. I liked the looks, the ergonomics, the balance in comparison to the G3. Both are fine designs and you will just have to see which one "speaks" to you the most. Have fun!:cool:
  4. Ohen Cepel

    Ohen Cepel Well-Known Member

    The Hk mags are dirt cheap now! So that is one issue in their favor. I don't have a FAL though so I haven't been watching those mag prices.

    I've very fond my my Hk 91, but like the FAL also. I think a quality version of either is a good choice.
  5. White Horseradish

    White Horseradish Well-Known Member

    Don't I wish...
  6. Bwana John

    Bwana John Well-Known Member

    OK, get the FAL then, forgings and threads beats stampings and welds.
  7. MrMurphy

    MrMurphy Well-Known Member

    Having shot both as well as the CETME (which came before the G3)....

    The FAL. Better ergonomics, points better and carries easier for me, and while 30 or 40 countries use/used a G3 or equivalent, 90 countries armed themselves with the FAL and many still use it. More than any except the M16 and AK.
  8. rbernie

    rbernie Well-Known Member

    SAIGA! :)
  9. Dave R

    Dave R Well-Known Member

    I shopped FAL vs. CETME pretty hard, and chose CETME because I liked the ergonomics better. Different preferences, I guess.
  10. ShootAndHunt

    ShootAndHunt Well-Known Member

    I handled FAL, G3 and CETME, and I really like the DSA FAL! It is also kind of expensive too.

    G3 is not bad.

    Century CETME is cheap in price, but I cannot say the quality of it feels good in the hand.
  11. Nightcrawler

    Nightcrawler Well-Known Member

    And which 90 countries use the M16? :D

    The M16 is used, primarily, by the United States, Canada, Norway, and Israel.

    Canada is, I believe, the only other country to produce the M16. The Norwegian rifles are, I also believe, Canadian Diemaco production.

    Israel is sold surplus US military M16s at great discount through our military aid program. They do not produce the M16.

    Similarly, we've given M16 rifles through military aid programs to a number of countries, similar to how the Soviets distributed the Kalashnikov. (Some South American countries, Taiwan...Korea, too, but Korea made a gas piston upper and created the Daewoo rifle.) However, the number of M16s in the world pales in comparison to the number of Kalashnikovs.
  12. schromf

    schromf Well-Known Member

    My FFL dealer was telling me that the PTR91 rifles from Sarco @$660 is one of the best buys in this class of rifle.

    Has anyone seen, handled one of these? Or better yet bought one and can give us a range/use report.

    Inquiring minds want to know.
  13. Spieler

    Spieler Well-Known Member

    I have owned both a FAL and HK91 and must say that I preferred the FAL, even though I WANTED to like the HK91/G3 REAL BAD! The FAL hefted to my shoulder more naturally, I LOVED the adjustable gas system and parts, mags, literature are everywhere. The HK91 just didn't 'feel' right for me, I didn't care for the ergonomics (I'm 6'5" so that may account for a bit of the discomfort factor). Both are great rifles and it really just boils down to personal choice in my opinion.
  14. MrMurphy

    MrMurphy Well-Known Member

    It's also in use in Denmark, the Phillipines, etc.

    I didn't say more countries use the M16 but the M16/AK series is generally considered to be the two most popular rifles on the planet, with the FAL being right up there. More countries probably use/did use the FAL than anything but the AK, but the M16 has more toys for it.
  15. Norton

    Norton Well-Known Member

    I'm 6'7" so maybe that explains a lot as to why it felt good for me. There aren't very many rifles out there that fit me well. There's a picture somewhere here on THR of me shooting an AR180b and it looks like a Red Ryder bb gun compared to me.:p
  16. vanfunk

    vanfunk Well-Known Member

    I have owned a DSA SA-58 FAL (which I loved, but had to sell due to divorce) and currently own two G3 pattern rifles, a PTR-91 and an Interport/FMP post-ban clone. The FAL was put together very well and ran like a Swiss watch. It was accurate "enough" for a battle rifle - occasional 1.5" groups at 100 yards although 3 inches was more the norm. It was totally reliable, although I had to keep the adjustable gas ring VERY well oiled or it would rust shut. I got both the G3's for the price I originally paid for the DSA. The PTR is very well constructed and very, very accurate. The FMP clone is made of high quality parts (all FMP/HK parts) but is not as well finished as the PTR. Both rifles have been totally reliable with surplus ammo. Perhaps my body type is well suited to the G3 (I'm 6'1" and 180 lbs), but I just don't understand the bad rap the G3 gets for ergonomics. I do wish that they had included a last-round bolt hold open feature, as I've become quite used to it with my other semi-autos. The g3 sights are good battle-type sights and are better than the FAL, IMO. The FAL sights suffer IMO by having the rear sight mounted to the buttstock tang, while the front is attached to the gas block. This demands a tight lock-up between the two halves for a reproducible sight picture, though this is not a huge deal by any means. I find the PTR and the FMP to be more accurate than the DSA FAL was. Differences in recoil are negligible, although the G3's is "quicker". It's hard to say which one is "better" between the G3 and FAL. They are both great designs, and exceed well at being able to hit man-sized targets at 400 yards and operate under poor conditions. I'd love to replace the FAL as it occupies an essential niche in any battery of 20th century battle rifles.
  17. Joe Demko

    Joe Demko Well-Known Member

    I've had a PTR-91 for a little over a year. I've found it very satisfactory. I had a couple of boxes of Federal matchgrade ammo laying around that I put through it w/ (to me) pretty impressive results. I've had no reliability issues, though others have reported them. The difference might have been that mine wasn't one of the first ones off the assembly line, they were reputed to have tight chambers. Maybe it's that I follow the ammo recommendations in the manual and don't try to feed it surplus of doubtful provenance. Mine has the HK-type polygonal rifling. I understand they make them with conventional rifling now.
    Overall, I like it very much and would recommend it to someone who's looking for an HK-type rifle and who doesn't mind paying a bit more money to avoid the Century Arms crapshoot.
  18. Feanaro

    Feanaro Well-Known Member

    I prefer the CETME/G3 line(for now, my likes can be a little fickle). I find that it fits me better than a FAL(5'11"-6', 190) and the mags are dirt cheap. Accessories aren't as plentiful as the FAL but close. Mine shoots very accurately. I do wish there was a bolt hold open device but it's not a big issue to me. The charging handle is a little odd at first but I got used to it quickly. I can't change mags from empty as fast as a FAL but durn close. I think both are good, reliable rifles capable of satisfactory accuracy. It mostly comes down to personal preference. I, for example, can't stand fiddlin' with the FAL's gas system.

    If you have a little cash, it might be worthwhile to get a good company like IGF build you a G3. It costs around 7-800 for the parts, reciever and labor but it will be a fine rifle. Get a flapper mag release installed while you're at it, that is my only other big complaint. The button mag release is on the wrong side, curse the BATF.
  19. Drue

    Drue Well-Known Member

    Good examples of either work just fine. The ergos are a little different. Handle both and pick the one that you like the best.

  20. Dave Markowitz

    Dave Markowitz Well-Known Member

    I prefer the G3. I own a Century G3 clone that runs like a top. I'm 5'6" and left handed, and it fits me better than the FAL; I had a Centry L1A1 and traded it off. Points in favor of the G3:

    1. No gas system that needs to be adjusted. No gas system at all, actually. Very simple design.
    2. Better ergos for me. YMMV.
    3. Very soft recoil for a 7.62 NATO.
    4. Sights much better than the FAL.
    5. From what I've read, tend to be a bit more accurate than FALs.

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