February 14th Support Starbuck's.

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Those people are so far gone, they seem hopeless. I prefer to not devote my entire life fighting inanimate objects, even their organisation's title sounds stupid. Those arguments too....
 
This should be interesting. The Spanaway WA Starbucks location, not too far away, they were ground zero for an open carry situation a while back. The audio made it on youtube and ultimately on here. The cops won the battle by making the guy leave to satisfy the sheeple, but they lost the war when a bunch of opencarry.org guys showed up. They were more than happy to gang up and force their version of the law on that one guy, but those same cops weren't so eager to force their version on an armed and po'd public. It got attention, a LOT here and the anti's boycotted and the pros supported. It ended up with the sherriff issuing a statement to the cops outlining how our law works. She didn't want to, she always stands behind that blue line and not with the public, but she doesn't work for the cops she works for us and they all learned that on that day including her. Stand up for your rights. In this case the guy could have cowtowed and the audio and video never made it out and the cops kept enforcing their version of the carry laws, and the anti's could have learned a new tattle tale tool, but it did make it out, and the backlash was in favor of constitutional rights. Now if the anti's call, the cops check it out and then give them a Kleenex.

Starbucks obviously didn't change their position. To this day, you go to the one in Spanaway and there will almost always be a pistol showing, last time I was there one was laying holstered on the table while the guy was drinking his coffee --by the front door. Most of the guys that do it make a point of open carrying just for protest, it really wasn't an issue here until the anti's wanted it banned, and nobody really open carried in public before that. Then they got the vulgar display of the 2A in response.

I was happy concealing it, but if it becomes an issue I'll wear it on my forehead if that is what it takes. I also don't buy too much into the anti boycott. They tried it here already and it didn't work, and they pushed for a lot more than one day. Besides, most are still boycotting it anyway --I do that, I won't buy BP gas for life, I'll walk first and they are the cheapest station around. Also, I went to the big anti site here in WA, Ceasefire. They have less members than a small local gun forum that just started up a year ago.

I'll get a cup of coffee on that day, and I'll get one for my fellow anti as well.
 
Some folks just aren't seeing the forest through the trees.

HELOOOOO!

You want to argue whether or not Starbucks is or is not anti, or pro, firearm.

You want to discuss whether or not their coffee is good or bad , or the price they ask is too much.

Some might discuss the stereotypical employee, or customer, or the kind of tattoo the girl you saw drinking Starbuck's coffee last week had.

Leave it up to the ambivolent to digress. Keep pointing out the pretty trees and wondering where the forest went.

All I know is:

1) (INSERT ANY COMPANY) CURRENTLY ALLOWS FIRARMS IN THEIR ESTABLISHMENT.

2) SOME ANTI RIGHTS ACTIVISTS WANT THIS TO CHANGE.

3) I DO NOT.

4) THESE ANTI RIGHTS ACTIVISTS ARE GOING TO BOYCOTT (INSERT ABOVE COMPANY) IN ORDER TO EFFECT THIS CHANGE.

Therefore, I am not going to offer my opinion on the kind of clothes that people in (insert above company) often wear. I am not going to offer an opinion on what color hair, kind of car, type of computer, political persuasion, sexual preference, color wallpaper, type of wood the chairs are made out of, cleanliness of windows, or whether or not my late grandmother once fell down while walking past one of these (insert above company)'s front door.

The anti's are going to boycott in order to pressure them to adopt an anti-gun agenda?

ANYONE who calls themselves a firearm rights supporter should be realizing that opposing ANY boycott aimed at removing their rights might possibly be a good idea.

If the anti's want something, I want the opposite.

Therefore, I'll be buying FOUR coffees at Starbucks on this day. The other three are for folks who aren't as concerned about firearms freedom as I am and decide to do nothing.
 
For standing firm in the face of the hysterical demands of an anti-(insert your political cause here) group, I will buy all of my daily fix of coffee from Starbucks on Valentine's Day.




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Yep, thread in Activism running on it.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=7904731

The point is that if the Antis are going to try to hurt a business for treating us fairly the least we can do is offset any losses they might have on Feb. 14 by seeing to it we give them our business on that day. It also can't hurt to tell them we appreciate their fair-mindedness.

It doesn't matter too much who the business that is being singled out happens to be. What matters is that the Antis have singled them out to try to force them to establish a national company policy to deny law-abiding gun owners access with their firearms to their establishments. It is in our self interest to see to it that the Antis don't get their way. If all that takes is buying a cup of coffee and a muffin to make the Antis look like marginalized crackpots that's a pretty good deal.

I sent this too them and intend to follow up.

I've just heard that there's a planned boycott on Feb. 14 by anti 2A groups attempting to punish Starbucks for their decision to follow state and local law instead of changing company policy on law abiding customers carrying firearms legally. While I'm an occasional customer I'll make a point of doing my share to offset any business Starbucks may loose due to this proposed boycott. I'll see to it that my family and I are in Starbucks at least once on Feb. 14.

Thank you for not caving in to the radical beliefs of a small vocal group of marginalized extremists.
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I'm thinking of drawing up a business-card size printout to give them stapled to a nice tip. Anybody want to volunteer any concepts for this? (Disclaimer: I am no graphic artist... it'd basically be what a complete novice can do with GIMP.)
 
valnar said:
The best we can do is make up for the people that WON'T go to Starbucks on Valentine's Day. Even if you are not a regular there, please find your way to one on that day so that their numbers don't take a dive at all. The best we can do is show the anti-gunner's stance had no effect.
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I'm not a Starbucks fan but I'd love to see them report record sales for that day. However, I don't expect our support to make any more difference in sales than those boycotting.

It would be nice if someone made an online card , or "coupon" people could print off and give the cashier stating why they chose to patronize Starbucks that day. Similar to the "no guns= no $" cards given to anti 2A businesses.
 
It behooves them not to cave to special interests groups who want them to act beyond what is required by law. Sure, they might lose a small minority who will boycott, but that is likely to be less than if they were to explicitly prohibit in all stores.
 
I will be there on Feb. 14, but this isn't just a one day event according to the National Gun Victims Action Council. The boycott STARTS on Feb. 14 and is supposed to last until "Starbucks rejects the NRA's pro-gun agenda by banning guns from their stores, and becoming an aggressive corporate activist for sane gun laws."

Here's a link to their Facebook page National Gun Victims Action Council - Facebook Page

Link to their post where the boycott will last for a long time according to them Boycott will last until they reject the NRA

Here's their web page NGVAC website
 
February 14'th is Still Painfully Single Day for me. Oooh, and it's preceded by a Friday the 13'th. Feb 15'th is Keep The Noisy Lovebirds From Yesterday Awake Until 4 A.M. Day.
 
You gotta wonder what REALLY made Starbucks adopt the "we just follow state law" policy.

Were it not for the fact that so many businesses persist in "banning guns," one might think Starbucks' position on the issue is just a common-sense thing. I'm skeptical.

Could they be... THE GOOD GUYS???
 
Whether the owner of Starbuck's is one of the "good guys" conciously supporting RKBA or whether he's a pragmatist calculating that the safest corporate position is to follow the law of the land, we do know that the Antis are the the bad guys. Whatever we can do to confound them is in our best interest. If that means buying a pound of Starbuck's coffe on Vallentine's day, so be it.
 
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Whatever confounds the Antis is in our best interest. If that means buying a pound of Starbuck's coffee on Feb. 14, I'm all for it.
 
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Just now I got this message back from Starbucks. Note, I didn't say anything about supporting open carry. They assumed I meant that:


Thank you for contacting Starbucks Coffee Company.

Thank you for your feedback regarding Starbucks' policy on open carry laws.

At Starbucks, we deeply respect the views of our customers and recognize that there is significant and genuine passion surrounding the issue of open carry weapons laws. We comply with local laws and statutes in the communities we serve. Our long-standing approach to this issue remains unchanged and we abide by the laws that permit open carry in 43 U.S. states. Where these laws don't exist, openly carrying weapons in our stores is prohibited.

As the public debate around this issue continues, we encourage customers and advocacy groups from both sides to share their input with their public officials. We are extremely sensitive to the issue of gun violence in our society and believe that supporting local laws is the right way for us to ensure a safe environment for both partners and customers.

If you have any further questions or concerns that I was unable to address, please feel free to let me know.
 
I don't care to play semantics. I'm not a schoolyard lawyer, and didn't stay at Holiday Inn.

I'll take their support, and show them mine.
 
7.62 Nato said:
I'll take their support, and show them mine.
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So will I, but as the letter I just posted above shows, they don't support gun owners any more than they support the Antis. They support the law only. And I would hope you can see how big the difference is. NRA supports gun owners; Starbucks supports the law. And to that end, that image you posted is not accurate.
 
2WheelsGood said:
So will I, but as the letter I just posted above shows, they don't support gun owners any more than they support the Antis. They support the law only. And I would hope you can see how big the difference is. NRA supports gun owners; Starbucks supports the law. And to that end, that image you posted is not accurate.
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Maybe you should skip the coffee. I'm outa this thread.
 
If Starbucks really mean what they say & they support gun rights,then I for one will always buy those lovely grande lattes from them,as well as those lovely club & BLT sandwiches(Instead of going to a Turkish/greek-run diner:) & will continue to give them my business.The most ironic thing about this is,that alot of Starbuck customers,(From what Ive seen of them,in central London:)are trendies & alternatives,(Think of the characters in the movie The Beach & Dr Caroline Lucas Green Party MP for Brighton Pavillion-lovely lady,to chat to,but Im at odds with her & her parties anti-gun attitudes:)whom are usually anti-gun &whose political allegiancies are affiliated with the centre-Left & far-left.However the rockers &punks,seem to be more pro-gun though and I know this,because I've hung around with this crowd before.

If we had England's gun laws we would expect 375 gun homicides each year—97% less than we have. England's gun laws are based on protecting public safety, ours on maximizing sales for the gun industry." Non-Sane Gun Laws
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Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/01/23/4208271/starbucks-pro-gun-policy-prompts.html#storylink=cpy
LOL,ahhahhahahah!!!!ROFL ahaha.Oh no they aren't,they are repressive because a group of insecure,do-gooding,bigots,didn't like the look of certain types of firearms and banned them,outright,after our two major gun massacres.Britain had lower gun crime,many years ago,than now due to changes in our society.Go figure that over a coffee,whilst I recover from pulling my stomach muscles,due to excessive laughter.
 
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I think a lot of the boycotts of businesses by gun owners are just plain silly. It makes the gun community look rather vindictive and petty. Besides that, people missing from a business are not immediately noticed. They are just absent and the business owner won't ever have a clue.

However, going in support of a business, wearing pro 2A material, is very positive and it let's the people in the business know who its clients are.

Personally, I don't care what their motivation is as the net result is that it supports us.

I am not a coffee drinker, but I will go buy one of their $6 cups of hot chocolate and maybe even one of the (are they really?) $4 muffins as well.
 
If Starbucks really mean what they say & they support gun rights
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They don't "support gun rights", per se.

They simply refuse to ban them where they aren't illegal.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

Ambivalence is far from "support", but when compared to outright hostility....I'll take it.
 
The question should be what marginalizes the Antis in this case more than whether Starbuck's is pro-RKBA.

If the Antis want to hurt Starbuck's for not bowing to pressure to put a restrictive national corporate policy in place against carry in their stores, we as RKBA supporters should make sure that their effort has no teeth and gets no positive press.

It isn't about "supporting" Starbuck's as much as it is about taking advantage of an opportunity to confound the Antis.
 
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