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Finally: taking out .300 H&H Mag.

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by talldragon, Jan 2, 2012.

  1. talldragon

    talldragon Well-Known Member

    Going this morning to see how this rifle shoots (Savage 110e, 24" bbl, 5-20X50 Tasco ((I know :rolleyes: )) scope on 1" Weaver rings).

    I don't care for plastic stocks, but this one has a custom recoil pad mounted and the barrel has been "magnaported". Not sure how this will help, previous owner said it is LOUD :eek:.

    I just want to see if it is worth it to keep the rifle in this chambering, or to save up and change it over to a more popular cartridge.

    I have all the reloading supplies to load for the current chambering.

    Hopefully no mis-fires..... I bought Hornady http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=560248

    I will post pics later when I get back from the range.
    trying for zero @ 200 yds. :)
  2. SaxonPig

    SaxonPig Well-Known Member

    Unless you need absolutely EVERY last bit of velocity the H&H will do anything that any of the more modern 300s will do. And H&H sounds cool when you say it.

    Most manufacturers use a 26" on the 300 H&H. Any magnum will lose a bit of velocity with a 2" reduction in barrel length.
  3. Zeke/PA

    Zeke/PA Well-Known Member

    I think that you will be very satisfied with the .300 H&H chambering, capable, in a good rifle, of very good accuracy and performance in the hunting arena.
  4. talldragon

    talldragon Well-Known Member

    Sorry for the delay. There was some travel involved.

    @SaxonPig : You are correct sir, it is a 26" barrel.

    Was able to get some cold bore shots in before realizing the scope was set at 20X (way to fuzzy for me).
    Corrected that to 5X. Much better :). Started out @ 100 yds, but was shooting a little high. Switched over to 250 Yds and it was dead on for elevation.
    Windage is another story. Had to hold a little to the left and down to get those shots (no wind, btw).
    Also, since this rifle has been sitting in the rsc since 2009, I never pulled the caps off the scope. Duplex reticle is a new one for me.....Not really sure how to properly take advantage of this feature (if it is one).
    Anyway, after 29 rounds; I had to stop.
    M pro7 saved the day...very sticky bolt when closing all the way or extracting a round.
    Overall, very nice rifle.. :D:cool:
    Oh, pics........

    ETA: Hornady ammo functioned flawlessly :D

    Attached Files:

  5. talldragon

    talldragon Well-Known Member

    More pics

    Sorry for the attachments :eek: .
    ^^^The handloads pictured above worked even better than the factory ones. Not sure why..

    Attached Files:

  6. joed

    joed Well-Known Member

    I've owned a .300 H&H for about 10 years, it's a great cartridge. The finer points are brass lasts forever, some of the brass I have is on the 3rd firing and still does not need trimmed. Recoil is not as bad as comparable cartridges. I sold a 7mm RM because that rifle kicked worse then the .300.
  7. Savage99

    Savage99 Well-Known Member

    To: joed,

    You wrote: "I've owned a .300 H&H for about 10 years, it's a great cartridge. The finer points are brass lasts forever, some of the brass I have is on the 3rd firing and still does not need trimmed. Recoil is not as bad as comparable cartridges. I sold a 7mm RM because that rifle kicked worse then the .300."

    I don't agree that the brass lasts long at all. The cartridge cannot headspace on its shoulder well and therefore the webs thin and the case has to be scrapped.

    Also the cartridge is longer and needs a heavier special action.

    The 300 WSM is a better round and so is the 30-06 for that matter.

    Its nice to say that you have one however as to the uninformed it has an unearned reputation.
    Last edited: Jan 3, 2012
  8. talldragon

    talldragon Well-Known Member

    Well, there is a lot of info out there about this cartridge; even with my average "googlefu" :)


    Old article, but interesting. Also, this one
    (truncated article, subscription required :uhoh:)

    Of course there is always

    For me, actually taking it out and shooting it was my goal for final research.
    I guess "T&E" and see if it's at all worthwhile to keep the rifle in it's current configuration or convert it to a more popular caliber (within long-action chamberings).

    I think hand loading some of the empties I have with a heavier bullet, maybe 200-220 grn. and see how that performs.

    This rifle will not see a hunting season until everything works to my satisfaction :D . I do like what I have seen so far with the 180 grainers..... :cool:
  9. willypete

    willypete Well-Known Member

    Yeowch. Don't spare the man your feelings.

    Seems like it wouldn't still exist almost 100 years after being introduced if it didn't have something going for it.
  10. P-32

    P-32 Well-Known Member

    Hmmmm...... maybe just maybe this why the 300 H&H has a belt. Oh wait, the 300 H&H does head space on the belt.

    Well darn, I guess I need to get rid of my Pre 64 Mdl 70 300 H&H. The 300 H&H does take a mag action. But it's not alone.

    '06 a better round? Ya smokin Crack? Until the 300 WSM wins the Wimbleton at Perry like the 300 H&H did I doubt it shoots as well or someone would be shooting it.

    Ahhh, Take your own advice? Have you checked 300 H&H data against 300 Win Mag data? You will find the 300 H&H will drive some bullets a little faster than the 300 Win Mag and use less powder doing it. The 300 H&H is efficient in its powder use. It takes more powder to out run the 300 H&H in the belted brass magmums. Once you get into the heavy 30 caliber bullets the other 300’s can’t keep up with the 300 H&H for the most part. Until 1963, the 300 H&H was the 30 caliber mag.

    Checking your 300 WSM agsinst 300H&H data it appears there were some gains made by the WSM. However again there was no reference to the WSM being a accurate round. Now I know the WSM should be but I have not seen it yet. The accuracy of the 300H&H is well documented. It has also taken every beast on the earth. The 300 H&H appears to have a milder recoil than the others according to my shoulder.
    Last edited: Jan 4, 2012
  11. BrocLuno

    BrocLuno Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I agree. It's on my short list of heavier calibers along with it's big brother - 375 H&H. Any round that has been there and done that as long as these two, must have some inherent advantage? It seems that the others are trying to duplicate the numbers or "gee whiz" the market into thinking they are better, but they are not.

    It's like the 303 (not really, but bear with me :) ) in that it does a lot of things well and it's on the shelf in a lot of places. It's a known accurate round, it has manageable recoil for a heavy 30, it can be readily reloaded for improved accuracy for the rifle at hand, and folks are still making guns chambered for the round. They would not do that if it were not viable :)

    It may out-live a lot of other "super duper let's see what we can do to confuse the market rounds" that are on the shelves. Gee, wonder who will still be on the market in another 50 years?
    Last edited: Jan 4, 2012
  12. SaxonPig

    SaxonPig Well-Known Member

    Savage99- Weeeeelll... As one of "uninformed" who believes the 300 H&H is a viable cartridge let me clarify my earlier comment.

    The more modern 300s offer more velocity potential. If one feels the need to wring every last foot per second of muzzle velocity in a 30 caliber rifle then there are better choices than the H&H version.

    But I suspect that 98% of us really don't need every last foot per second. The 300 H&H is a powerful 30 caliber. Not as powerful of the more recent 300 Magnums, but it has been getting the job done since 1912 (hey, 100 years) and will continue to do so. I seriously doubt the average shooter will do all that much better with an additional 100-200 FPS and I am fairly confident any animal shot with the H&H will not be able to discern the difference, either.

    As for case life, I am unaware of any problems with excessive wear in the H&H shoulder area. On the longer action needed for the H&H, you say that like it's a bad thing. A Magnum Mauser or an elegant single shot like the Ruger #1 is a thing of beauty. Actually, a 300 H&H can be, and has been built on regular length actions. Note the Remington Model 721s and the scads of Mauser 98s running around in this caliber.
  13. rori

    rori member

    I love the 30/06 but it sure isn't better than a 300 H&H. They are 2 different cartridges designed to do 2 different things and both are great for doing what they were designed for. FRJ
  14. joed

    joed Well-Known Member

    I have to disagree with you after 3 firings and brass not even needing trimmed. My opinion is the shallow shoulder helps in this respect. The .300 H&H has been around a long time and has some pretty decent ballistic credentials. It's biggest fault is the length which requires a magnum action, but who cares. The biggest reason manufacturers prefer to not make a long action is profit, not that it's weaker or anything. I haven't found the shallow shoulder to be a detriment other then reading it in print. This round has to headspace on the belt and not the shoulder but it hasn't caused me any problems.

    If you compare the H&H to the .300 WM both cases are very close in internal volume with the WM having less then a 2 gr advantage. With a 200 gr bullet the H&H may actually have the edge as the WM and WSM need that bullet to be seated rather deeply in the case. The H&H also runs at less pressure then the WM or the WSM. To be honest looking in my loading manuals the H&H gives up nothing to a WSM with heavy bullets. The H&H really shines when you start talking about 200 gr or heavier bullets.

    Look in an older Nosler manual like #4 and there are many loads that can drive a 180 gr bullet over 3000 fps. There's a reason this cartridge is still with us.

    Unearned reputation? No, it's reputation is well documented, this cartridge has done a lot in 100 years as others on here have pointed out.

    I bought my rifle for hunting and have been very pleased with it's performance.
    Last edited: Jan 5, 2012
  15. joed

    joed Well-Known Member

    talldragon, what are you loading in the H&H? I've shot 165, 180 and 200 gr bullets from mine with all of them producing excellent results on targets. Only powder I've tried so far has been IMR4350. It's worked so well that I have not even considered trying anything else.

    When I came across my Remington Classic chambered in .300 H&H there were 2 reasons I bought it. The first is it's a unique cartridge and the second reason was it could easily share powders with my magnum chamberings.

    I was pleasantly surprised the first time I fired it. It is accurate with all the bullet weights I tried in it. I think you will be very happy with that cartridge.
  16. LoonWulf

    LoonWulf Well-Known Member

    Thats a nice rifle Dragon, ive always wanted a .300H&H. I think its one of the nicest rounds out there. The reason i see for the H&H eating cases is if the chamber is long the first shot will stretch the web (my old 7mm only took 2 firings to show signs). If you have a tight chamber and or use a modified handloading procedure of going a caliber or so larger then necking back down again on the first firing to get good headspace on the shoulder (as i do with on all my belted rounds now), they should last as long as any other case. The round is as fast or nearly as fast as any of the .300 magnums, short of the real monsters. When properly loaded its much faster then any 06 ive ever seen. It also has an eye pleasing shape if you ask me...just something i like.
  17. talldragon

    talldragon Well-Known Member

    @ joed, I have saved all my empties. I have not reloaded any yet, as I have not decided yet what the end purpose of the rifle will be or what average ranges it will be best for. Seems as if it will be worth keeping; especially at ranges exceeding 200yds.
    The hand loads in the picture were not loaded by me, but the previous owner. Don't know why they used light bullets (150 grn); this caliber seems better suited to heavier 200+ grn. bullets.

    @LoonWulf, I noticed the velocity right away. Although the rifle does kick; I was able to see the impacts before the rifle bucked away from my eye. My rimfires I can set the rifle down and then watch impacts.... What a difference!
    With the Magna-ported barrel, this Savage is LOUD. Plugs and muffs when shooting ;).

    This rifle was definitely fun to shoot :D. I did let a few other shooters at the range give it a try.
    They both said it had too much recoil for them and did not care for the duplex reticle on the Scope :confused: .

    ETA: I was wrong about the reticle on this scope. It is a RangeFinder with one horizontal crosshair just below the center horizontal. Somewhat explained here: http://http://www.chuckhawks.com/scope_reticles.htm 7th paragrarph from the top.
    Sorry about that :eek: .
    Last edited: Jan 6, 2012
  18. joed

    joed Well-Known Member

    Now you got me started on the .300 H&H again. I may take mine out this weekend and run a few through it as I think the weather is supposed to warm up.

    May ever run a few of these over the chrony as long as weather stays fair.
  19. talldragon

    talldragon Well-Known Member

    Joed, If you go out shooting your .300 H&H this weekend; do you mind posting your results here? Especially if you're running hand loads through it :cool:.

    I think I am headed over to the accessories section and ask about the scope on mine :confused:.

    Thanks to all who read/posted to this thread. It has really helped clarify my opinion; combined with my experience on Monday :).

    I had a coworker (a gun nut/hunter) look my rifle over and comment that someone really put some effort and care in the build of this Savage 110e.

    Really, all it needs is a sling.....:scrutiny::D.
  20. john wall

    john wall Well-Known Member

    Some one had better bone up on "Thirty-Caliber Magnums, 101".

    The Holland does indeed have enough shoulder to head space on. Excessive resizing will move the shoulder back and cause early case separation.

    Any bottle necked cartridge can have the same problem.

    The Holland will push bullets over 180 gr faster than most other Magnum Thirties with less powder.

    The 300 H&H has won world championships, the Short Mag has yet to do this.

    Using a Redding Competition Shell Holder set will eliminate head space problems in all bottle necked cartridges.

    Arrogance AND ignorance is a terrible combination.:banghead:

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