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Firearm buying advice for a Permanent Resident (green card)

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Wonderclam, Aug 21, 2010.

  1. Wonderclam

    Wonderclam Well-Known Member

    My neighbor gave me a Ruger Single Sixty New Model .22/magnum. It's my very first firearm and I'm 30 years old. We went to the Police substation and had it registered, they gave me my blue card.

    It's a good gun, but I thought I'd get a higher caliber one for home defense. I've been hearing good things about the SR9. I went to a gun store close and was going to buy it, but since I'm not a citizen and I live with my mom (everything's under her name) they said I needed to have a written statement from my mom saying I live in her house and she allows me to buy a gun. Also, they need 3 months worth of bills (electric, gas, etc..) with my name and the address I wrote down.

    Is this just a store policy or is this a state/city law? I thought since I have my blue card that I can just buy a gun from a gun store without any hassle?
  2. everallm

    everallm Well-Known Member

    As a Permanent Resident Alien you have the same 2A rights as a citizen EXCEPT a NICS check requires 90 days proof of continuous current residence.

    This can be satisfied via the list below assuming it is your name

    Utility Bills
    Bank Statement
    Rent receipt
    Mortgage statement
    Property tax bill
    Documents from Federal, State or local government agencies
    Insurance policy, bill or credit card statement with current address

    You will additionally have to take your Green Card (not Blue Card) with you at the time of purchase. Officially you just need to provide your Alien Number but it's not worth the grief.

    Assuming you are 21 or higher you can purchase a pistol without further restriction from an FFL

    Assuming you are 18-21 you CANNOT buy a pistol from an FFL although you can buy privately at this age range

    Mothers statement requirement is BS assuming you are 18+
  3. Wonderclam

    Wonderclam Well-Known Member

    Ok, I see. I thought it was just store policy. I assumed that once you already have your first gun and a blue card, you did not have to deal with any of that anymore.
  4. RevolvingGarbage

    RevolvingGarbage Well-Known Member

    You have to register your guns in Vegas? Lame.
  5. natman

    natman Well-Known Member

    It's Federal law, not just store policy. You should get something put in your name to establish residency.

    Note that on top of Federal law, states can impose additional requirements. California, for instance, will not accept bank statements or pay stubs as residency.
  6. docnyt

    docnyt Well-Known Member

    +1 with everalim. It can be a painful process if your FFL dealer does not know what he's doing. The NICS process is hit or miss. More often than not there is a delay. The fastest I've had is 2 hours while I was browsing through the store.
  7. dec41971

    dec41971 Well-Known Member

    You are pertinently wrong. Mother's statement is required by federal law too. He is not the person whom the address is legally under, the owner of the address regardless of if its his mother friend or even spouse needs to submit a statement. That also doesn't mean there are no instances where the law is ignored. Its just like getting a driver's license, same exact thing is required. Since 9/11, the rules were tightened by the patriot act, and real ID law. Sanctuary cities and states however are notorious for ignoring these to allow loop holes for Driver's license seekers who may not have all the requirements. Oh and regardless of how many times you have bought fire arms and regardless of having CHP, CCW blue cards, green cards etc, FFL MUST certify the residency requirements with each purchase.
  8. Wonderclam

    Wonderclam Well-Known Member

    I guess the only way I can bypass all this hassle is by buying guns from a private owner. My brother in law offered to go to the store and buy the SR9 for me, then I just pay him back. Everything's too much of a hassle. I guess I'll just stick with my .22.
  9. docnyt

    docnyt Well-Known Member

    dec41971: I haven't come across this requirement of a letter of certification from the owner. I guess that does come into play if the potential gun buyer doesn't have any bill or credit card in his name

    OP: Be careful not to tread on dangerous ground here. If somebody buys a gun with the intention of turning it over quickly, it may constitute a straw sale. Make sure you document on a bill of sale that you purchased the gun from your brother in law.
  10. everallm

    everallm Well-Known Member

    Dec41971, you're completely wrong, go to the ATF website have a look at the extensive documentation.

    As an example, link to a PDF of the 4473, no statement akin to yours at all.


    Based on your opinion anyone who rented who be in the same situation, as would a soldier living on base who has permission to have personal firearms from the CO.

    Also this is NOT a politics site, take the "sanctuary city" comments elsewhere
  11. Wonderclam

    Wonderclam Well-Known Member

    Can you comment more on this, docnyt? What exactly is a straw sale? Is that illegal?

    One more question. How about buying ammunition? I have a .22 Ruger, but I have no ammo for it. Do I have to do the same thing as buying a gun? Do I need to bring bill statements, letter from house owner, etc?
  12. docnyt

    docnyt Well-Known Member

    I guess Wikipedia is as good a source as any:

    "In the context of United States federal gun laws, a straw purchase is defined as any purchase from a dealer holding a Federal Firearms License where the buyer conducting the transaction is acting as a proxy for another person. The law does not distinguish between someone who is purchasing on behalf of a person who legally cannot purchase or possess a firearm, and one who is not. In the United States, straw purchases are a felony violation of the Gun Control Act of 1968 for both the straw purchaser (who can also be charged with lying on Federal Form 4473) and the ultimate possessor. One of the questions on form 4473 is “I am the buyer of this firearm” and the purchaser must answer honestly yes or no, by checking the appropriate box in ink. However, purchase of a firearm as a bona fide gift for someone who can legally own such a firearm is permitted.[1]

    Many gun shops have jointly participated in programs (such as: “Don’t Lie For The Other Guy”) to deter such purchases.[2]"

    As far as ammo, you just have to be of legal age to buy. No FFL required. You may (and should) be asked for your drivers license, although I haven't seen this consistently done at Wally World.
  13. TexasRifleman

    TexasRifleman Moderator Emeritus

    This action from your previous post would be a felony for both people involved:

  14. TH3180

    TH3180 Well-Known Member

    Why should they ask you for your drivers license?
  15. TexasRifleman

    TexasRifleman Moderator Emeritus

    Well, you have to be 21 to buy handgun ammo so they should be asking. It's a stupid law (like most gun laws) but it's still the law. They have to cover themselves to protect their business and follow the law.
  16. snubbies

    snubbies Well-Known Member

    AMMO Purchase

    If you have to be 21 to own a handgun why is it stupid to require you to be 21 to buy ammo for that gun?? Are you questioning the 21 years of age to buy a handgun??? I would support the 21 years of age requirement with the exception of military personnel.
  17. Top_Gunn

    Top_Gunn Well-Known Member

    Federal law does not require that one be 21 to own a handgun, though it doesn't allow those under 21 to buy a handgun from an FFL. Odd combination. State laws vary.

    Laws distinguishing handgun ammo from other kinds are kind of silly. Is .38 special "handgun ammo"? Sure, but it's also what I shoot in my Marlin 1894c. Is .30-30 "handgun ammo"? Of course not, but I read something once about somebody who did make a handgun that shot this cartridge (which was relevant under the proposed but not enacted Federal legislation on "armor-piercing bullets," which would have outlawed just about all centerfire cartridges).
  18. rromeo

    rromeo Well-Known Member

    Should 22LR be considered as rifle ammo, or handgun ammo? It says rifle right in the name, but many handguns use it.

    I didn't know this. City ordinance?
  19. TexasRifleman

    TexasRifleman Moderator Emeritus

    Might want to read up on the law before quoting it. From a Federal standpoint there is NO LAW requiring you to be 21 to own or buy a handgun. ONLY that you can't buy one from a dealer.

    So, if there's no law saying you can't own one why do you have to be 21 to buy ammo for one?

    Again, stupid gun laws.

    So you support a requirement that doesn't even exist?
  20. Wonderclam

    Wonderclam Well-Known Member

    Ugh, so I guess I gotta wait til I see someone selling an SR9 on the classifieds in order to get one.

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