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Fixed Blade Knife Useless?

Discussion in 'Non-Firearm Weapons' started by Captains1911, Mar 21, 2013.

  1. dayhiker

    dayhiker Well-Known Member

    Don't hunt....but can carve detail work just fine with my belt axe.. And I am not going to start a new thread.

    Here are just two pics....


    And a figure four I carved with my Wetterlings.


    If you still doubt my word, so be it.
  2. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf member

    Why do you hate Jim Bowie? And Vikings.. they didn't use no 20 ounce hatchets.
  3. JShirley

    JShirley Administrator Staff Member

    Dayhiker, so...you cannot, in fact, skin a deer with it? Skinning an animal is an important survival skill. Claiming you can do "anything" with an axe better is only valuable if you can do all the important survival skills with it.
  4. dayhiker

    dayhiker Well-Known Member

    Didn't say I "can"t" just said I "haven't". If ancient man could do it with a sharp flake of stone I am sure I can do it with a 2 3/4" edge hair popping sharp piece of steel.

    I know you like big knives, that is plain to see.But if I could "survive" 36 years of playing in the New England woods with a hatchet WITHOUT skinning a deer. I think I'll manage 36 more. (If I live to be 80).
  5. dayhiker

    dayhiker Well-Known Member

    :D That made me chuckle......(I am of Swedish heritage)
  6. JShirley

    JShirley Administrator Staff Member

    big knives...and small knives. Both have their places. I'm sure I've said at least 15x on THR that a machete/kukri/large bowie/bolo/hatchet, plus a smaller task knife is the way to go. And it is. Hey, years of posting...easy to check.

    ETA: here are some examples.




  7. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf member

    I had a sneaky feeling it just might.. God bless the Vikings! and Jim Bowie
  8. lemaymiami

    lemaymiami Well-Known Member

    Note to knife beginners or those that have never used a knife as a work implement, day after day.... See the picture in post #17 and note the size of the handle on each blade.... The first thing I ever look at on a knife is the handle and whether it would help or hurt if you worked with it for a few hours... Yes, the blade length, balance, shape and edge are important as well but the handles on the blades shown say it all for me.

    Fixed or folder, take your choice but think about the part that will be in your hand first....
  9. JShirley

    JShirley Administrator Staff Member

    Good point.

    You know, now that I think about it, I can look at the picture I posted...and see only 3 large knives, out of 8. Less than half. Big, small, and medium, each has its place.

  10. Sam Cade

    Sam Cade Member

    Skin? Yes.

    You basically hammer the hide off.
  11. JShirley

    JShirley Administrator Staff Member

    But the question was, could an axe really skin a deer better than a knife? Doubt it. The fact that an axe can whittle has little to do with skinning.
  12. Sam Cade

    Sam Cade Member

  13. dayhiker

    dayhiker Well-Known Member

    Actually that is your question for me.

    Somehow you decided my comment that an "axe in my hands works better than a BK2" is wrong. Since skinning a deer equals survival in your eyes.

    I, in fact, reject your opinion that it is an important survival skill. Unless you believe Bear Grylls really did snare that Reindeer with paracord.

    Tree rats and bunnies need minimal cutting to be skinned. Large game is simply a fantasy in "survival". Unless you carry a rifle with you anytime you hit the woods.

    Now I respect your service to our country, and respect your position as a mod. However neither lends any more support to your opinion on this matter than mine.

    And I dare say, I KNOW what works in MY hands far better than you. And like I said in my first post....TOO EACH HIS OWN.

    Now I am done......I am not about to argue with a mod who feels his opinion on my uses/needs is right.
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2013
  14. JShirley

    JShirley Administrator Staff Member

    Well, being a "mod", as you describe it, has nothing to do with what there is evidence to support. In a survival situation, without having to obey sporting game laws, taking big game is actually fairly easy in most of the US. At least, that is my observation from observing game in Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Ohio, Washington State, and Maryland.

    You DID specify "for ME", but again, skinning is a very important survival skill. To each, his/her own, but in general, a large blade (knife or small axe/hatchet) and a smaller one is a good outdoors combination.

  15. dayhiker

    dayhiker Well-Known Member

    And that is the only thing we can agree on. However you never mentioned that in your first post. Instead you chose to question my abilities with a small axe.

    In my past posts I'd like to think I have shown I am capable with an axe, SAK, and my beloved F1.

    Yours show no such demonstrations in "outdoors" usage.
  16. JShirley

    JShirley Administrator Staff Member

    Heh. Yeah, not like I've posted pictures of the heaps of brush I cut at a single time with my HI WWII model kukuri, or my review of the Camp Defender, or the recent review of the 'hawk/CD2/RTAK-2, or anything. But, carry on. :D
  17. Tirod

    Tirod Well-Known Member

    Most of the American frontier wasn't traversed with 1/4" survival knives. If anything, early pioneers were forced to use common imported British knives we now call the butcher pattern, and expeditions carried dozens for supply and trade with the natives. Most were thin - bendable - which was likely a better survival feature than thicker and breakable. They also carried axes and hatchets, and the weight didn't bother them.

    They didn't carry any fuel or sophisticated cook gear because they used the local wood sourced right at their feet. Most travel was by river then, trees were plentiful, and most of America was wilderness. They traveled twenty miles a day, and they cooked most nights if fresh meat was available.

    They had an assortment of knives, yes. They also used them every day, and each was well known to be better at some tasks than others. What happens in the modern translation of "What knife should I use outdoors?" is the participants get wrapped into their image - not lessons of daily living and years of experience. If the internet is guilty of one thing above all else, it's being a locker room measuring contest of who's the alpha male. And if needs be in the constantly escalating showdown in threads, we see "bigger MUST be better."

    No it is not. It's merely another choice, not a tiered hierarchy of status, and that goes to where do you stop? If a 6" blade is better than 4, then 18" is a whole bunch better, 32" is certainly another level higher, and a two handed broadsword tops.

    The basic assertion being made in most of the conversation is false. A bigger knife isn't always better, anymore than a bigger axe will do more work - cleaning squirrels? Dressing out a grouse? No.

    The OP's contention was they couldn't understand why someone would say "It's useless," when they saw it oppositely. The reality is that either knife - say a 4" camp vs a 6" - will do much of what the other can. Neither can do all, tho, and certainly not as well. It's NOT an absolute that one's personal preference is automatically SUPERIOR just because they think so. If anything, they may well be showing thru skill and use how to get around the limits in a manageable fashion - not that the results work out better. Skinning a perch with an axe is possible, skinning a buffalo with a 2" folder is also. The professional would use both, along with 3 or 4 others, too.

    It's not an either - or choice, nor does the size of the blade have anything to do with skill or social ranking. Except on the internet, where the knife you advocate is the measure of your manhood.

    Yeah, sure.
  18. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf member

    Some islanders in the south pacific use really huge coins.. they are funny like that and never even heard of the intermet. go figure
  19. 22-rimfire

    22-rimfire Well-Known Member

    To me they are "over built", but I read accounts of people who really like the BK2 and they use them for things like chopping vegies, cutting steaks and so forth. I think people do this because they can. As has been mentioned, different strokes for different folks.

    I can understand someone who is not particularly a "knife person" saying a fixed blade is "useless" or better phrased "not for them". I bet they use fixed blades in the kitchen versus a folder? I wonder if he whips out his SAK to cut a steak in a restaurant? If he did, it would probably just be a statement against the restaurant that their knives suck. :)

    As far as the hatchet or axe thing for skinning game... well it is possible, but I would choose another tool unless I had nothing else available.

    I generally support the two or three blade approach in the woods. The individual blades choices change with personal experience and preference.
  20. CA Raider

    CA Raider Well-Known Member

    " Large game is simply a fantasy in "survival". Unless you carry a rifle with you anytime you hit the woods"

    Because of my situation, it's no fantasy for me. I do understand that finding large game may be difficult, which is why I don't rely upon that option. I'm 100% happy with the philosophy of gathering meat from small game. But in a real survival situation - I sure won't turn down the chance to get a small whitetail deer. If my family is hungry ... I'll take whatever meat is available. For this reason, being able to skin that deer is an essential activity for me. I like Bear Grylls - but he usualy finds his way out of "trouble" in a few days. People who may be in a long-term survival situation will have different priorities. So sure ... a rifle in 22WMR or a small caliber is one of my options. Not the only one though :)

    The purpose of this comment is not to be argumentative. Just to point out that "survival" will mean different things to different people.

    CA R
    Last edited: Mar 23, 2013

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