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For those who say there's no place for EBRs.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by hso, Feb 24, 2010.

  1. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

  2. fireman 9731

    fireman 9731 Well-Known Member

    Great video!
  3. ATBackPackin

    ATBackPackin Well-Known Member

    +1 Great video.

    It's nice to see a man of that generation break the stereotypical boundaries and be open minded. I have spoken to some old timers who would never consider hunting with an AR and while I respect their wishes, I have never had anyone give me a valid reason why? I guess some people are just set in their ways and change is not a good thing. I could think of hundreds of clichés to say, but I think it boils down to "you don't have to do it or even like it, but don't berate someone else for doing it unless it's going to hurt you in some way."

    Can't we all just get along? Lol, sorry I had to say it.

  4. Art Eatman

    Art Eatman Administrator Staff Member

    After messing with all manner of gun stuff for nearly seventy years, I've formed a few opinions. ("Aw, gee, Art; really?")

    I don't particularly care for the aesthetics of the EBRs, but so what? So I prefer blue steel and walnut. So what? What does that have to do with much of anything except where I put my money? Wily Coyote doesn't care if I use my AR15 or my Ruger 77 to medicate him with a .223 pill. The paper target doesn't care if the sub-MOA group comes from either rifle.

    Bambi won't care if it's a 7.62x39 softpoint from an SKS or a similar bullet from a thutty-thutty.

    I had a really sweet heavy-barrelled Swift that was guaranteed 3/8 MOA for five shots, as long as I did my part. I'm still impressed, however, by the sight-in for a Bushmaster Match Target. Five three-shot groups, with the interval between groups only that which was long enough to adjust the scope. I would up with five half-MOA groups. I don't think a feral cat could have said which rifle ruined his day.

    I dunno. There are all manner of uses for firearms--just as with any tool. And that's all any gun is: A tool. Folks who get all emotional about tools probably oughta rethink their grip on reality.

    Hey, I said I'm opinionated. :D
  5. kingpin008

    kingpin008 Well-Known Member

  6. Ohio Gun Guy

    Ohio Gun Guy Well-Known Member

    I liked the video but must add that the 2nd amendment isnt just about hunting. I think they tried to stay away from not "Sporting" uses in their video........ On what they did cover, they did well, and offer a good argument without getting into the "Non-sporting" debate.
  7. wilkersk

    wilkersk Well-Known Member

    I think a little background might be warranted here:

    Here's the rest of that article:

  8. Zundfolge

    Zundfolge Well-Known Member

    Well it was put together by the National Shooting Sports Foundation. :D

    I think sometimes we tend to expect every organization even loosely related to shooting to be "be-all-end-all-no-compromise-RKBA/2A-defenders" ... sometimes it is just about the sport.
  9. Ohio Gun Guy

    Ohio Gun Guy Well-Known Member

    ^^^ Saw that....just saying.
  10. GMFWoodchuck

    GMFWoodchuck member

    Folks who get all emotional about tools probably oughta rethink their grip on reality. ~ Art Eatman

    Words of wisdom.
  11. rattletrap1970

    rattletrap1970 Well-Known Member

    Umm, whats an EBR? We should try to curb the Abbreviations and acronyms until the jist of the question or story is established. Just my opinion.
  12. mcdonl

    mcdonl Well-Known Member

    I think we should avoid using EBR (Evil Black Rifle) just as we avoid calling them Assault Weapons. They are neither, in most of our hands.

    Great video though! I have shared this with some of my family/friends who were on the fence.
  13. TexasBill

    TexasBill Well-Known Member

    I first hunted varmints with a genuine Colt AR-15 nearly 40 years ago. Never thought about using it for anything bigger because of the caliber. Wouldn't buy an AK-47 because it was a "Commie" gun. (Don't ask me to be consistent: I won't buy a gun made in Russia or China, but I am very happy with my guns from Germany and Italy.)

    I liked the NSSF piece but was more than a bit upset by what happened to Jim Zumbo. I think that's just plain wrong.

    Perhaps we all need to look in a mirror. Has our zeal for RKBA/2A made us forget about FOS/1A? Mr. Zumbo expressed an opinion. Last time I looked, that was also an inalienable right and one that our federal and state governments have made binding on everyone, something we're waiting to see if the Supreme Court is going to do for the Second Amendment. The scorched cats chorus disagreed, as is their inalienable right. Now, all of a sudden, Mr. Zumbo is a pariah cut off by Outdoor Life and his friends at Remington? Because he didn't goose-step to the party line? That's not just prior censorship, that's un-American.

    If we're so worried about one man's opinion about the suitability of a military-style rifle for hunting that we will cast him out for expressing it, what does that say about us? It says the antis have already won; we're on the defensive and we don't think we can prevail unless we present an absolutely united front of EBR-totin' parrots.
  14. Deltaboy

    Deltaboy Well-Known Member

    Good Video that was well made and used Gray hair to drive home a Clear Point.
  15. General Geoff

    General Geoff Well-Known Member

    Evil Black Rifle is a term coined by the gun community, as a parody of all the absurd nomenclature invented by the media to describe different types of guns. I like the term, because it is demonstrably nonsensical (lifeless objects cannot be good or evil, as they have no will of their own) and funny to boot. :)
  16. gunsandreligion

    gunsandreligion Well-Known Member

    I thought it was Electronic bubbad Rifle.:D
  17. ClickClickD'oh

    ClickClickD'oh Well-Known Member

    Call it what ever you want, Mr. Zumbo stepped on a lot of toes and frankly showed a whole hell of a lot of people how ignorant he is of the shooting sports. As the video says, most of our "sporting firearms" evolved from military arms just as the sporting AR has.

    Heck I'll take Zumbos statement and tweak it a bit here...

    Looks pretty damn stupid doesn't it.

    For extra kicks replace lever and bolt action with Black powder and Lever. Or Bolt and semi.

    That we don't take to kindly with being compared to terrorists maybe. Or maybe that we choose to have someone slightly more informed to listen to.
  18. Mikee Loxxer

    Mikee Loxxer Well-Known Member


    No one has ever advocated the government suppressing Mr. Zumbo's right to free expression. That is what the first amendment does, prevent the government from muzzling you.

    On the other hand Mr. Zumbo said "I say game departments should ban them from the praries [sic] and woods." This is advocating government restriction on the use of certain types of firearms for hunting.
  19. happygeek

    happygeek Well-Known Member

    The other thing about Zumbo is that it's not censorship if a magazine decides not to publish you because of reader response. No magazine publishes my writings, does that mean that I'm censored? Private companies are not bound by the 1st Amendment to give you a soapbox.
  20. Diamondback6

    Diamondback6 Well-Known Member

    On nomenclature, I prefer the term "Sport/Utility Weapon" myself... which also covers EBS's like the Saiga-12 and its descendant Abomination. (THR member-author reference FTW! LOL)

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