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Forgotten revolver tips and tricks.

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Thaddeus Jones, Mar 15, 2013.

  1. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf member

    Some guys would load/have wadcutters or semi-wadcutters in the cylinder for the greater glee/glory and then some more roundy types after that, just for the speedier re-load. I never had a problem either way but it's true that the more blunt it is, the more finesse might be required to stick it/them. Then you could chamfer the charging holes but only slightly. but you knew that
  2. MrBorland

    MrBorland Moderator

    I eject with my thumb, but regardless, it's good advice to eject with authority and get the muzzle nearly vertical. When practicing your reloads, then, I recommend pre-filling the cylinder with spent cases for each run, otherwise, you run the risk of developing a wimpy ejection stroke, which can certainly bite you when you need it least.

    TJ - Did you mention grip yet? About it, I'll only say "get it high". Looking from the side, you shouldn't see exposed backstrap. Looking from the top, the web of my hand meets the very top of the backstrap. It's common to see people grip a revolver too low, which leads to problems with trigger finger placement, as well as excessive muzzle rise during recoil.

    Multi-task your reload, eject with authority, and get the muzzle near vertical:

    A high grip aids good trigger control:

    A high grip offers much better recoil management too:
  3. Chris-bob

    Chris-bob Well-Known Member

    This thread rocks. Thanks.
  4. willypete

    willypete Well-Known Member

    Agreed, this is an excellent thread. Thank you to all who have contributed your experience. I prefer revolvers to semi-autos and I'm learning a lot!
  5. Thaddeus Jones

    Thaddeus Jones Well-Known Member

    MrBorland I had not really gone into grip. I thank you for your excellent coverage of that very important factor in accurate revolver shooting! :)

    Folks, you should also practice getting a good grip from your holster during your draw, as well as when you are on the square range and getting ready to fire. MrBorlands second, or middle photo illustrates how you should grip a revolver. As we cannot see the left side of his hand/revolver in the pic, I'd wager that his thumb is curled downward. Aiding in control and minimizing lateral motion. Please correct me if I'm mistaken MrBorland! ;)

    Practice hitting the "sweet spot" at the top of the grips/grip frame with the flesh between your thumb and trigger finger as you practice your drawstroke. This is another area that competition helps you refine.

    I had not really intended to cover the fundamentals of revolver shooting here. I do thank MrBorland and all those who have touched on them. I had mearly wanted to pass on some the things that we as revolver shooters had learned back when revolver usage for serious purpose was more prevalent.

    But perhaps a quick review of fundamentals is useful here. Stance - Grip - draw - push out/bring up/point - sight picture - trigger control - bullseye.

    You must practice bringing all these elements together - in unison - to be successful with a revolver. Now, again, I'm no expert. I'm just an old revolver guy who, through a combination of training/instinct/experience/tactics/a little bit of skill and alot of luck managed to survive on the streets to reach retirement.

    I would encourage anyone interested in being accomplished with a revolver to read some of the following works. "No second place winner" by Bill Jordan. This book has more of an LE revolver useage theme, but is still relevant and very useful.

    "Tales of the stakeout squad" and "Guns bullets and gunfights" by the late great Jim Cirrillo NYPD. What this fine man forgot about fighting with a revolver, most of us will never even know. Very interesting reading and an excellent training aid, IMO. These also contain the best explanation/instruction on point shooting that I've ever read.

    "Fast & fancy revolver shooting" by Ed McGivern. This man could make a revolver sit up and sing. Amazing shooting by a fine marksman. Hard to read due to his writing style and a bit slow.....boring, in places, but it made me a better marksman.

    There are other fine works on using/learning revolvers in print out there as well. I hope some of the participants in this thread will list their choices. I can't recall all of the really good ones. Simply the ones I refer back to most often. Oh, Grant Cunningham recently did the Gun Digest publication - "Book of the revolver". Excellent book for the beginner as well as the seasoned revolver shooter.

    Do also read the internet writings of the late great Mr Stephen Camp. I learned much from Mr Camp. He was a fine teacher and revolver expert, as well as a great gentleman. He is missed.

    Everyone who elects to carry a handgun for serious purpose should seek out some training. In person training with a qualified instructor. I won't comment on the various.....and expensive.....schools out there. Research them and decide whether you wish to spend your hard earned money with them. Do a cost/benefit analysis.

    There are less expensive and equally valuable ways to obtain training. Start at your local indoor range. Check the bulletin board there and make inquiry with the range master. Odds are they know a silver haired "revolver guy" willing to give you some instruction.

    Ask around at the local matches or competitions. Odds are there is a fine gentleman like our own MrBorland, who is willing to share his experience and skills with you. However, please do keep in mind their time is valuable!! ;) :D There is no free lunch in this endevour!!

    I thank all our members who contributed to this thread. I hope the aspiring revolver shooters as well as the old hands learned a bit that might assist them in the future. I know I did, and rediscovered some things as well.

    Please continue adding information as you recall it. I know I will be out shooting/practicing with my model 66 and think; "Hey! This is something those kids on the internet board might be interested in!" ;) If/when that occurs I'll be sure and post again here! :) Best, TJ
  6. MrBorland

    MrBorland Moderator

    TJ - I'd like to thank you for your kind words, and for an excellent thread containing some excellent advice from a wheelgunner with some "in the trenches" experience. Revolvercraft demands strong fundamentals, so some review is always a good idea. They might also help one implement some of the fine points you and others offered.

    As to revolver writers and famous lawmen you mentioned, I agree and can only add one other name - Jelly Bryce. Well worth a quick read.

    You also bring up another terrific point - revolver shooters are generally very friendly and very willing to help if they can, so don't feel shy about asking or even trying a local match with your revolver. If the latter, ask to squad up with another revolver shooter, and I'm sure they'll be more than happy to help.

    I started competing with a revolver because it's what I had at the time. But, to my great fortune, the revolver community in my area is strong and has been very helpful, so I learned a lot and progressed quickly. I try to emulate their example whenever possible. If you're in the Raleigh/Durham, NC area and are interested in shooting a match with your revolver, feel free to PM me.

    Well...:eek:...eh...:eek:...I personally use a thumbs-forward (and "thumbs-off the gun") grip, like one would use on a semi-auto, but that can be a hot topic, and one best left for another thread. ;)

    Good shooting, all!

  7. spm

    spm Well-Known Member

    Best revolver post

    Best revolver post I have ever read on any forum. Thank you Mr. Jones, Sir!
  8. Vica

    Vica Member

    I agree with spm, great post. I just finished lunch with my wife in our home above our our office here in Sarasota, Florida and I said that I wanted to sit down for a few minutes with my Ipad and see if there was anything new from Thaddeus Jones. She said, "who???". Uh, never mind.
    I'm a pretty inexperienced range shooter and even more inexperienced with CCing my sp101/ 2.25. So I (many of us) ate up this thread that TJ and MrB spent time sharing. I'm sorry it is over. Many thanks,
  9. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf member

    It's never over! lolz. Though I've been trying to rack my remaining braincell to help contribute, I'm sure the collective will come up with something further though.
    Speaking of over, what I said is true, especially for half n00bs.. practice until it is over.. ie you are dead.. and grip that thing like you mean it.
  10. Jim K

    Jim K Well-Known Member

    I am going against the grain (!) on wood grips. I have been shooting double action so long I think Adam was my first student (something about fast shots at a snake), but I did not have a modern DAO revolver. So when I got my 642 with the rubber factory grips, I went out to try it and my hand got so beat up and sore I couldn't hit anything.

    So I rummaged around and found a set of the old wood stocks that let my middle finger fit right up against the frame like I was used to. Sure enough, no sore hand, and I was back to normal accuracy (under 2" at 7 yards). So for me at least, all that business about super grips made of goose down or horse... or whatever doesn't cut it. I think the folks who designed those grips really did know what they were doing.

  11. murf

    murf Well-Known Member

    if you want a lot more very good info on revolver shooting, do a forum search on "mrborland".

    i have never seen any bad info from his posts.

  12. Vica

    Vica Member

    Thanks for the search tip
  13. MartinS

    MartinS Well-Known Member

    Thumb forward, out of contact with the gun or thumb down, curled and part of the grip on the weapon. Seems like the former is better for shooting, the latter better for holding on to the gun in a scuffle. Which would be the default? Thumb down in a death grip I think.
  14. BSA1

    BSA1 Well-Known Member

    This is a great topic. It is bringing back lots of memories.

    Another tip I just remembered is we would place a small piece of rubber tubing over the hammer. This would keep the sharp checkering from wearing against our clothes causing them to fray (especially nice for plain clothes sport jackets) while still giving a non-slip cocking surface.

    We would usually get a piece of tubing from the hospital E.R. while flirting with the nurses.
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2013
  15. sgt127

    sgt127 Well-Known Member


    For any new kids that want to know about about the things we are talking about, I'll try and provide pictures.

    An old Don Hume 2X2X2 dump pouch
    an HKS speedloader
    and a Speed Strip

    And, I didn't have to dig any of this stuff out of a bin. They all go along with either the 3" 65 I carry most days off duty or, the Smith 642 I've carried in my pants pocket of my uniform for most of the last 20 years or so,
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2013
  16. fragout

    fragout Well-Known Member

    Just wanna say thanks to all that shared thier knowledge here.

    Please keep it up.

  17. Tortuga12

    Tortuga12 Well-Known Member

    Can we get this "sticky"-ed? Would sure like to see this discussion continue to grow! Maybe with enough help I'll be able to shoot my k-frames worth a darn!:banghead:
  18. tubeshooter

    tubeshooter Well-Known Member

    This has been a great and informative thread!

    Thanks to all - and I hope it continues.
  19. MrBorland

    MrBorland Moderator

    I love that 2X2X2 dump pouch. Gonna have to get one.

    Here's a tip & trick: Keep a skinny pen handy.

    A case that ends up under the ejector star is a hassle. And one that manages to fully re-insert itself into the charge hole can really ruin your day. Plucking it out with your fingers will take a minimum of 30 seconds to a minute. So, keep a skinny pen handy. Use it to simply push the case out from the front of of the cylinder. It's also handy for ejecting .45acp rounds that were shot without a moonclip.

    Before sticking the pen in your pocket, though, make sure it's skinny enough to fit inside a case.
  20. tomrkba

    tomrkba Well-Known Member

    I always use AZOOM Snap-Caps for safety. This forces me to open the action, swap out the ammo, stow it in the gun safe, and double check I'm using Snap-Caps. The revolver can handle the hammer landing on an empty chamber, but the wall cannot handle a bullet.

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