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from 24 August Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, interesting perhaps

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by alan, Aug 28, 2008.

  1. alan

    alan Well-Known Member

    Personally speaking, I never fired rifles in caliber 22-250, though I've heard the round described as being accurate. Out to 600 yards, I did use the 7.62mm NATO (.308 Winchester round), which I found to be quite accurate in bolt guns, and out to 1000 yards, the 30-06 in both the old Garand as well as bolt guns, it too was accurate, I did better with the 30-06 at 1000 yards than with the .308, quite a bit better. On to the above referenced article, which some might find of interest.

    Somerset firm touts new rifle's accuracy
    Sunday, August 24, 2008
    By Michael A. Fuoco, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
    V.W.H. Campbell Jr./Post-GazettePaul Leonard, president of P&R Sales demonstrates the .338 Xtreme Tactical Rifle on a range in Somerset County.Tucked away in Clearfield County, Grassflat may be a tiny town (pop. 750), but if Xtreme Machining has its way, it will become the center of the universe for precision tactical rifles used by military and law enforcement snipers, civilian target shooters and big-game hunters.

    To that end, the company today will roll out its latest product, the .338 Xtreme Tactical rifle. It is touted as being accurate for up to 1.6 miles, with low recoil and light weight. About two dozen representatives of the military, federal agencies, southwestern Pennsylvania police SWAT teams and gun dealers are expected to attend the company's shooting event at a range in Somerset County.

    "We want them to get their hands on it, to see the accuracy, to feel the recoil and say, 'Wow!'" said Xtreme marketing director Paul Leonard. "So far, everybody has said, 'Wow.'

    "We can make any gun out there already, but our objective was to make the best. The serious shooter is always looking for something better."

    And, he said, the .338 Xtreme tactical rifle is that "something better." Using an automobile analogy, he said the .338 Xtreme is to other weapons what a Mustang GT is to the family sedan.

    "It's a custom-built rifle but it's not an assembly-line rifle. Everything is machined and tested. We make one at a time, but quite a few a day."

    The company won't list all of its targeted customers, but two likely are the Army and the Marine Corps.

    According to an article in May in the Army Times newspaper, both branches of the service are looking for a long-range "anti-personnel'' sniper weapon to complement the standard sniper rifle, which is effective out to 800 meters.

    The Xtreme could fit the bill. The selling points of the rifle are fourfold, beginning with accuracy at a target 2,500 yards away and beyond, said Mr. Leonard, who acknowledged that company representatives have taken a prototoype to the Marine base in Quantico, Va.

    "There are two other firearms out there that they say can shoot that far, but they weigh more and are less accurate," Mr. Leonard said, noting the Xtreme rifle weighs 16 pounds as compared to the 30 or so pounds a .50-caliber rifle used by snipers can weigh.

    According to the Army Times, both the Army and the Marines use versions of the .50-caliber sniper weapon, which has a range out to 2,000 meters. But it is mainly intended to destroy targets larger than a man, such as light-skinned vehicles, the newspaper said.

    The Xtreme is a light-kicking anti-personnel or game-killing weapon.

    The recoil is like that of a much less powerful .22-250 rifle.

    "It's almost unreal,'' Mr. Leonard said. "With other [rifles] in this class, after a couple of shots, your shoulder is done, but not with this. You can shoot all day long."

    Additionally, the rifle can be fired 10 times consecutively without overheating. All parts are 100 percent machined; there are no forgings or castings.

    Mr. Leonard said the rifle's high performance is enhanced by the .338 Xtreme cartridge. The Army and Marines haven't given details on the caliber they would want in a new sniper gun, according to the Army Times.

    "This bullet was made for this gun,'' Mr. Leonard said. "A lot of guns are made for bullets, but we did it the right way."

    Depending upon the model, the rifle will retail between $4,700 and $6,200. American Tactical Imports in Rochester, N.Y., is the distributor for the rifle, which has been in research and development since Xtreme Machining began business in April 2005.

    The company, whose president, Robert A. Zelenky, has been in the machining business for 25 years, employs about a dozen people. But Mr. Leonard said more hiring will be necessary to keep up with expected demand.

    While the rifle is initially being shown locally, it will have a wide-ranging impact, he predicted.

    "We want to get it started from the grass roots. We'll start in our own area and spread out further and further," he said.

    "This firearm not going to stay in Western Pennsylvania. It's going to go everywhere, trust me. This is a major breakthrough, one of best things to happen in the shooting industry in about five years."

    Michael A. Fuoco can be reached at mfuoco@post-gazette.com or 412-263-1968.
    First published on August 24, 2008 at 12:00 am
  2. Duke Junior

    Duke Junior member

    Good read.
    The 16 pound factor leaves it back in my library with "War and Peace",however.
    Not to mention the dinero.
  3. Zangetsu

    Zangetsu Well-Known Member

    The only thing I didn't like about what I read was the name of the rifle :p
  4. Blofeld

    Blofeld Well-Known Member

    +1 to Zangetsu. Whenever I see anything named extreme, but spelled with a capital "X", I immediately think mall ninja.
  5. everallm

    everallm Well-Known Member

    How many more individual, non interchangeable 338's can manufacturers come up with.

    So far

    338 Lapua (Mag)
    338 Winchester Mag
    338 Remington Ultra Mag
    338 Federal
    338 Ruger Compact Mag

    Have I missed any ?
  6. alan

    alan Well-Known Member

    everallm writes:

    How many more individual, non interchangeable 338's can manufacturers come up with.

    So far

    338 Lapua (Mag)
    338 Winchester Mag
    338 Remington Ultra Mag
    338 Federal
    338 Ruger Compact Mag

    Have I missed any ?

    As to "Have I missed any", I don't know. Re the openning question, only time will tell.
  7. Bobarino

    Bobarino member

  8. Mr White

    Mr White Well-Known Member

    Cool. Grassflat, where they make the guns and Reynoldsville, where they make the ammo, aren't too far from me. They're near the town of Dubois, which is called by some the center of the world for long-range benchrest shooting.
  9. SCKimberFan

    SCKimberFan Well-Known Member

    And that is pronounced Dew-Boyz, not Do-Bwa. :D
  10. Zundfolge

    Zundfolge Well-Known Member

    Ah its a .505 gibbs case necked down to .338

    neeto. I don't buy "accurate to 1.6 miles" but neeto.

  11. Larry E

    Larry E Well-Known Member

    When I read recoil of a .22-250 and that it was whiz-bang accurate way out yonder I figured it must have a pretty effective muzzle brake, and sho 'nuff it does. If the shooter doesn't have pretty good hearing protection they'll be deafer than a brick wall after a few shots with it.

    The question of how many non-interchangeable .338's firing very expensive ammunition we can cheerfully endure is a good question too.
  12. ieszu

    ieszu Well-Known Member

    I am not sure what the big deal with it is... My first truly custom rifle that I built weighs 16.3 lbs unloaded (19.5 lbs loaded) in .338 Lapua Mag and kicks about the same as a .223. A friend of mine who is in the Marines can hit the target at about 1500 yards, but the round can do better... that was just all the range space we had to experiment with.

    So they came up with a .338 with more case capacity, a sharper neck and are building custom rifles based on it. I just wonder if they had to reinforce the webbing given the higher pressures. Other than the novelty of a new round, I think the only thing that makes this newsworthy is that it is coming from the backyard of the Newspaper which is reporting it (local interest piece, possibility of more jobs in an area that is still hurting from the loss of the steel industry).

    Hmmm.... I wonder what the pressure curve would look like with it necked further to 6.5 or 6.8? :D

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  13. everallm

    everallm Well-Known Member

    Looking at it as well as reading the specs ......The ejection port is 4.5" long, means the throw on the bolt pull has to be at least 5".

    Looking at the example rifle I don't see how you could eject without shifting your head and therefore cheek weld. Should make consistent follow up shots at range problematic.

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