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Fun at the range yesterday

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Dacos, Mar 23, 2003.

  1. Dacos

    Dacos Well-Known Member

    An old high school buddy and I went to the range yesterday with an urge to try several weapons: In full auto, both the 9mm MP5 and .45 UMP. Also tried the .45 Sig P220ST and a Sig P229 in .357 Sig.

    The only thing I can say about the MP5 is that it rocks!

    The UMP was just as accurate, but I was expecting the larger frame to soak up more of the recoil. I found it a lot harder to keep from pointing up 'n right during auotmatic bursts.

    Both Sigs were kind of a let-down. Not trying to bash, because I like the quality of the guns and few weapons can match the ergonomics of the controls and their ease of takedown. However, the grips only felt OK (so my hand anatomy is not ideal for the shape of the grips) and the high bore access made reoil particularly noticeable in both platforms.

    The P220-ST was deadly accurate, though, and I didn't find its weight bothersome; not after shooting m1911's for years. I didn't like the fact that the trigger face wasn't smooth as in the alloy version of the P220.

    Regarding the P229, its drawback was its weight balance in addition to the other Sig qualities previously mentioned. I liked its trigger, in fact I shot it best in DA mode. Let me say something about the .357 SIG round - MAN WAS I IMPRESSED.

    I didn't think the .357 SIG round in the P229 produced more recoil than a P228 9mm I've shot (thus offsetting any difference in noticeable recoil as a result of the high bore axis), report wasn't bad at all (of course I had hearing protection, but still no where near as bad as a .357 magnum or .44), and the muzzle flash was perhaps 40-50% greater than any nine I've shot. I MUST GET A GUN IN THIS CALIBER and take up hand reloading b/c it sure is expensive to shoot.

    If Dr. Lundy is reading this, I would be very curious to hear about how the Barsto .357 SIG barrel performs in your Walther P99; accuracy, wear, etc.

    Right now the P99 seems like a viable option or possibly a Barsto barrel for the .40 CZ-75. I won't get a Sig, Glock, Taurus, or XD.

    Next time I'm at the range I've decided to try shooting a HK P7m8 and sometime, if I'm ever lucky enough to run into someone shooting one, a Sig P210.

  2. krept

    krept Well-Known Member

    A UMP and MP5 in the same day? Some guys get all the luck.
  3. SoDFW Jason

    SoDFW Jason Well-Known Member

    Just had to rub it in didn't ya?;)

    Glad you had a good session, sounds like some mighty nice toys to play with!!!
  4. 10-Ring

    10-Ring Well-Known Member

    [sarcasm mode / on] I'm starting to think you guys are making this stuff up! You mean to tell me that mear mortals can legally shoot full auto firearms? Yeah, right! [sacasm/ off] :rolleyes:
  5. Nathaniel Firethorn

    Nathaniel Firethorn Well-Known Member

    Dacos, the range wasn't Classic Pistol, was it?

    I can beat that -- shot an MP5, UMP, Uzi, and Thompson all in the same day once. :D :evil: The UMP was my favorite.

    - pdmoderator
  6. Dacos

    Dacos Well-Known Member

    It was Target Master in Southeast, PA. I thought the MP5 was more controllable in full auto but I was shooting a bullet with almost half the mass, so no surpise.

    I've got to try the HK P7M8 they have for rent there. I've palmed the P7m8 and m13 before, but never shot it; kind of straddling the fence about the decocker.

    Shooting with an old friend sure felt good... :)
  7. Nathaniel Firethorn

    Nathaniel Firethorn Well-Known Member

    Well, if you want to get any significant practice, better mortgage the house for the ammo. :eek:

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