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Future for 5.45x39

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by regal, Jul 3, 2010.

  1. regal

    regal Well-Known Member

    I found an old thread about the 5.45x39 ammo situation. Seemed consensus was that so few country's are using it that it will be phased out.


    Now 4 years later there is a resurgance in the popularity of the round, it has a reputation in the middle east as the famous "poison bullet." CAI is selling thousands of AK-74's. The ammo is going up in price not due to lack of supply but due to an overwhelming demand. Even S&W has a 5.45x39 rifle.

    Looking at the old thread is the opinion here ther same. I think the reputation of 7.62x39 will never allow it to be a NATO caliber, but the world but with international politics as they are could the 5.45x39 become a NATO round, or at the least adopted by more militaries around the rould?

    I have chosen it to be my main caliber, I love shooting the low recoil with the 74 brake, I love the AK reliability. I train more with this caliber than any other.

    I think it has advantages over 7.62x39, even NATO 5.56. Of course you can by espensive 5.56 that exceeds its performance but does the standard NATO round?
  2. wally

    wally Well-Known Member

    Hornady is loading their V-max bullet in Russian steel cases. if the Russian imports dry up, I'm sure they'll be happy to load it in more expensive brass cases.

    I think the caliber has hit "critical mass" in the US recently, so while it won't be the cheapest to shoot once the corrosive surplus ammo dries up, I don't think getting ammo will ever be any more problem for it now than it has recently been for .380, .7.62, 5.56 etc. -- Academy has had Monarch 5.54x39 in stock while 5.56 and .7.62 was all gone.
  3. regal

    regal Well-Known Member

    Good to hear with this still being a popular caliber and maybe not as popular as projected they may be huge amounts of surplus. The way I understand 7.62x39 is it isn't imported as surplus since it is a "pistol" caliber, not the case with 5.45.
  4. My questions are "Why do we need a Nato standard cartridge?", AND, "Why do we need a Nato at all?" The Cold War is what called for a NATO pact to begin with, and we don't have any unilateral support from MOST of the NATO countries now (look who is helping us with "terror" threats in Afghanistan and the Mideast.:rolleyes:)
  5. wally

    wally Well-Known Member

    This makes no sense. 7.62x25 is pistol ammo and tons of Polish mil surplus ammo is imported, as is Bulgarian and Romanian, although not so easy to find now. Corrosive surplus Yugo 7.62x39 is readily available too.
  6. General Tso

    General Tso member

    I hope it stays. I just bought a SW AR in 5.45!
  7. General Tso

    General Tso member

    Also, isn't it the main round of the Russian army?
  8. regal

    regal Well-Known Member

    You're right, why is it that the 7.62x39 surplus isn't imported? Seems all that is for sale is Wolf.
  9. CornCod

    CornCod Well-Known Member

    I have seen 7.62X39 Yugoslav (or Serbian if you like) surplus on sale at Classic Arms.
  10. nathan

    nathan Well-Known Member

    It will be around as long the Great Russian Army uses it.
  11. wnycollector

    wnycollector Well-Known Member

    I LOVE 5.45x39. I'm on my 2nd 1080 round tin of bulgarian 7n6 since may! It's (almost) cheaper to shoot 7n6 than to shoot as my pistol caliber carbines! I'm going through 100-150 rounds/week @ $0.114/round. Every chance I get I pick up 2 spam cans of 5.45x39 so that I can stock up at this price!

    This reminds me of the 1200 round cases of chinese 7.62x39 I used to get 20 years ago or the romanian 8mm and hungarian 7.62x54r that were $0.08/round up until mid 2007!
  12. OneWithEverything

    OneWithEverything New Member

    Surplus 7.62x39mm, aside from the Yugoslavian M67, cannot be imported because the M43 cartridge has a mild steel core. Thanks to BATFE rulings and some legislative gayidity, The mild steel-cored M43 surplus is designated as an "armor piercing handgun round." Steel core handgun ammunition is a no-no, and thanks to the pistols chambered in 7.62x39mm, the surplus cannot be imported.

    Yugoslavian M67 gets around that blockade because it has a lead core.
  13. RP88

    RP88 Well-Known Member

    7.62x39 is still imported. However, some from certain countries, such as China, is not importable because it has a mild steel core and thus counts as an armor-piercing round according to the whims of the ATF.

    .223 from Pakistan, Belgian and Swiss ammo, Russian ammo, Romanian and ComBloc ammo, etc. all get here just fine.

    And the reason why so few countries use it is because the vast majority of countries either use something else or never bothered to switch from the x39 platform. Not every country out there is made of money to switch guns every couple of decades.
  14. Hatterasguy

    Hatterasguy Well-Known Member

    Its a good round, just as good as the 5.56. AFAIK its the main round of the Russian military, they just introduced the AK-200.

    5.45 isn't going anywhere.
  15. mshootnit

    mshootnit Well-Known Member

    where in the Sam tarnished hell did you find an old thread like that? I will tell you the future of the 5.45 is damned bleak. Just like everything else Communist. The damn round is a pud shoot it beside a 223 and you'll see. I like shooting rifles and ammo that give me a better than 50% chance of hitting what I am aiming at.
    Last edited: Jul 5, 2010
  16. metalman8600

    metalman8600 member

    Who else is going to do the NWO's bidding? :scrutiny::uhoh:
  17. M1key

    M1key Well-Known Member

    To whom it may concern:

    The Saiga in 5.45x39 is capable of 1.5 MOA or less with either commercial or mil spec ammo. Many ARs in 5.56 can't shoot that well.
  18. GunsBeerFreedom

    GunsBeerFreedom Well-Known Member

    I'd love to see the 5.45 become more mainstream in the reloading area. Dies are currently as much as a case of ammo!
  19. Ignition Override

    Ignition Override Well-Known Member


    About a year ago I somehow stumbled onto a British/Euro arms control website.
    I might not have bookmarked it (forgot the title), but it described how foreign taxpayer money helps some countries destroy huge heaps of surplus military guns and ammo.

    The primary objective seemed to be the AK-47s, to keep them away from African etc warlords who arm child soldiers with them.

    Not long ago, an Aussie contacted a friend in South Africa who happened to visit his local gun shop. South Africa was reportedly being paid to order the destruction of all old bolt-action Lee-Enfield rifles, not just Brens etc and the ammo.

    CA Senator Diane Feinstein (who has a carry permit) has been pushing the UN to also be involved in this. A huge amount of the UN's funds are US taxpayer dollars.
  20. Jeremy2171

    Jeremy2171 Well-Known Member

    Apparently you haven't been shooting a 5.45 rifle.....
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 4, 2010

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