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Gander Mountain "Bubba" The Smith

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Flame Red, Jul 9, 2009.

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  1. Flame Red

    Flame Red Well-Known Member

    Was at the range last week and wanted to shoot the old Granade. I had just a few days before taken it completely apart for a thorough cleaning. Only the second time I had done that. Anyway, I had a lot of trouble getting the clips in for some reason and that should have told me that I was in for problems. First round went off and the second round went 'click'. I tried to eject the round but the breach would NOT open. Got some help from some others and there was no way we could open it. I was pretty sure I had a live round in the chamber.

    Decided I would deal with it later and put it back in the truck.

    On the way home, I had to stop at Gander Mountain for some stuff and I saw the smith was there so I figured I would ask him his advice. I could not believe my ears. He recommended to me that I check to see if there was a live round in the barrel by shining a flash light down the barrel and looking down it!


    Watch out for "Bubba" the smith!

    I just about threw up and walked out. I almost felt like saying to him, You wanna do that for me? But decided I did not want "Bubba the Smith" to have his brains blown out by my rifle.

    Had a friend help me later carefully disassemble the rifle. He held it towards the berm while I removed the trigger group, removed the stock. I just had to play around with the op-rod and then it opened to reveal a live round with a light hit.

    I took it home and looked it over really carefully and could not see anything wrong. Seems to function ok with snap caps. Have to take it out and try it again I suppose.
  2. starkadder

    starkadder Well-Known Member

    I don't know what your problem is, That is how you check for a live round in the chamber.
    It is no different than checking the fuel level in your gas tank with a lighted match, that's just the way you do it. :rolleyes: Bubba is as Bubba does, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid.

    This is this! It's not something else, it's this!

  3. candr44

    candr44 Well-Known Member

    You should have let the gunsmith check it since he obviously has no brains to blow out.
  4. Maelstrom

    Maelstrom Well-Known Member

    Maybe because he's used that technique before.
  5. BMF500

    BMF500 Well-Known Member

    Wow, and this guy makes a living working on other people's firearms!! That's scary, which location was this?
  6. poppy

    poppy Well-Known Member

    Ever hear of a mirror? :neener:
  7. tomh1426

    tomh1426 Well-Known Member

    or a cleaning rod!
  8. Geronimo45

    Geronimo45 Well-Known Member

    You can't open the breech... and it's a crime against humanity if you look down the barrel to see if there's a live round before working the gun over?
    Do you think that flashlight beams can set off a primer? Do you think guns just fire themselves for no reason?
  9. N003k

    N003k Well-Known Member

    When there's been a clear malfunction CONCERNING a live round....I really don't think it's a good idea to look down the barrel...since, ya know, the round may get set off? There's already been ONE malfunction in the action, is it really safe to just assume at that point that there CANT be another?

    I personally make it a point to never look down the barrel of a loaded gun, even one that HASN'T malfunctioned...
  10. highorder

    highorder Well-Known Member

    Why even chance it when you can simply slide a cleaning rod down the muzzle?

    Work smart, not hard.
  11. Geronimo45

    Geronimo45 Well-Known Member

    But how would it get set off? Again, will a flashlight beam set off primer or powder? Is the gunsmith's office heated to a few hundred degrees, where cook-offs could occur?
  12. Rockwell1

    Rockwell1 member

    Familiarity breeds contempt
  13. N003k

    N003k Well-Known Member

    Action won't open, what if the hammers been released but caught up on something and didn't strike yet? As we've covered, already been ONE malfunction, what if that moment you look down the barrel you happen to jostle it just right that the hammer is full released and it fires the round? Is it REALLY worth taking the chance of taking a bullet in the head because you want to visually confirm a chamber in the round rather then find another way?
  14. oneounceload

    oneounceload member

    hmmm, maybe he bumps just enough on the floor while looking at it? Had a friend DIE when that happened - his rifle was sliding off the hood - as he reached for the barrel, the stock hit the ground and off went his head.....and he had been shooting for over 50 years.........

    dumb things happen, why chance it? Use a cleaning rod
  15. cuervo

    cuervo Well-Known Member

    What's a "Granade?"

    If you mean Garand, you may be able to remove the trigger group with a clip loaded (I've never tried it) and that will remove the hammer so the round in the chamber can't go off.

    To empty the chamber, find a wooden fence post somewhere. Place the op-rod handle against the back of the post and push forward on the butt of the rifle.

    My guess is you put the follower in backwards.
  16. Geronimo45

    Geronimo45 Well-Known Member

    So the problem isn't looking down the barrel - the problem is in playing Marine Silent Drill Platoon while looking down the barrel?
  17. maskedman504

    maskedman504 Well-Known Member

    Geronimo45 I don't understand why you are advocating looking down the barrel of a loaded firearm when there are safe ways of doing it.
  18. candr44

    candr44 Well-Known Member

    Next time get Geronimo45 to look down the barrel of your loaded gun. Let him discover how it can accidentily get set off. I'm sure everyone else is easily smart enough to find a safer method.

    Are you trying to be a troll or do you really look down the barrels of loaded guns? When you are looking down the barrel, keep in mind never point a loaded gun at what you don't want to shoot. Are you the gunsmith Flamered is talking about?
    Last edited: Jul 9, 2009
  19. gondorian

    gondorian Well-Known Member

    Exactly, what ever happened to ALWAYS keeping the muzzle pointed in a safe direction?
  20. Geronimo45

    Geronimo45 Well-Known Member

    Going back to the earlier question, how would the gun fire, thus causing safety to be in peril? How could I possibly cause the gun to fire by shining a flashlight down the barrel and looking down the barrel? There is no touching of the gun required when looking down a barrel.
    Guns do not fire by themselves.
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