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Gatling gun....NFA?

Discussion in 'NFA Firearms and Accessories' started by RDCL, Mar 1, 2010.

  1. RDCL

    RDCL Well-Known Member

    Would a US Civil War type hand-crank operated Gatling gun be considered an NFA weapon?

    I'm talking either original or re-pro.

    (No....I do not want one:).....just curious)

  2. Diamondback6

    Diamondback6 Well-Known Member

    IIRC, because you have to be manually turning the crank to keep it firing, it's not.

    Put an electric motor on it, though, and you got NFA for sure...
  3. nbkky71

    nbkky71 Well-Known Member

    quoted from an ATF ruling...

    "ATF and its predecessor agency, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), have historically held that the original, crank-operated Gatling Gun, and replicas thereof, are not automatic firearms or machineguns as defined. See Rev. Rul. 55-528, 1955-2 C.B. 482. The original Gatling Gun is a rapid-firing, hand-operated weapon. The rate of fire is regulated by the rapidity of the hand cranking movement, manually controlled by the operator. It is not a "machinegun" as that term is defined in 26 U.S.C. 5845(b) because it is not a weapon that fires automatically"

  4. lions

    lions Well-Known Member

    If I'm not mistaken someone makes a gatling gun crank that can be fitted on a Ruger 10/22. It is called a BMF activator or something like that. With the crank there is an action that causes each manipulation of the "trigger" and therefore each shot to be fired individually. That is not within the current definition of a NFA firearm.
  5. John Wayne

    John Wayne Well-Known Member

    Wouldn't anything made before 1899 be exempt anyway?
  6. sv51macross

    sv51macross Well-Known Member

    ^ Only if it was registered with ATF.

    You know, .223/5.56 doesn't have much recoil either...a firm grip on the handguard (or a Magpul AFG) putting pressure into your shoulder...hand crank and a C-Mag...
  7. JWF III

    JWF III Well-Known Member

    No, you still have to pay the $200 tax. Same goes wit C&R guns. There is a large list of FA's that will qualify for C&R. They can be shipped directly to your house (C&R FFL holders). But you still have to fill out the forms and pay the taxes.

  8. Lee Roder

    Lee Roder Well-Known Member

    Really? Is an antique machine gun a "firearm"? Did it need to be registered?
  9. jmorris

    jmorris Well-Known Member

  10. Ditch-Tiger

    Ditch-Tiger Well-Known Member

    Technically, an old style Gatling gun is just a bunch of single shot rifles...I'm just say'n.
  11. RDCL

    RDCL Well-Known Member

    I'm suprised it's not a restricted item. Don't get me wrong.....I'm glad it's permissible with ATF to own for those whom so desire owning.....but in my mind it IS a machine gun. Hand-cranked or not. I'm guessing it'd spit out shots as fast as one could crank.

    .......I realize the same could be said for the average semi-auto rifle, yet an m3 grease gun is slower still on full auto......an that is definetly a machine gun and strictly controlled.

    Last edited: Mar 2, 2010
  12. 7.62 Nato

    7.62 Nato Well-Known Member

    It's not how fast it can be fired, it's how it fires.
  13. WardenWolf

    WardenWolf member

    The difference, in the ATF's eyes, is that you still must perform a complex action that requires constant movement of the hand in order to keep the gun firing. Thus it is more akin to multiple trigger pulls than a single trigger pull where you simply hold down the trigger. Gattling guns and other hand-crank-fired guns are thus not machine guns. Note that some states have laws restricting or barring "trigger actuators", the technical term used for those 10/22 cranks. You should check local laws before ordering or installing one.
  14. spartywrx

    spartywrx Well-Known Member

    There's a guy who makes a gatling trigger mechanism for the 1919a4. It can get around 400 rounds/minute.
  15. MattTheHat

    MattTheHat Well-Known Member

    Dear GOD, I didn't need to read that!

  16. Ronsch

    Ronsch Well-Known Member

    Several Civil War reenactor/Old West groups have Gatling Guns.
  17. John Wayne

    John Wayne Well-Known Member

    I know machine guns can be C&R but still regulated, but I thought there was an exemption for guns manufactured before a certain date...same reason why you can buy a replica 1851 Colt with no paperwork. IIRC, the exemption does not apply to working firearms which fire, or can be made to fire, current metallic cartridges (which is why a .45 LC SAA requires paperwork).

    I don't know what cartridge the Gatling gun fires, or what cartridges are considered exempt from the list, but it seems like some of those provisions would apply in combination with the hand-crank exemption such that you could legally own an unregistered Gatling gun.

    Were there any reliable machine guns chambered in obsolete cartridges manufactured before 1899 (?) that would be exempt?
  18. davswn1986

    davswn1986 Member

  19. Ian

    Ian Well-Known Member

    Guns made before 1899 are legally antiques, and not regulated by the GCA. They can be mailed interstate to individuals, don't need to be logged by FFLs, etc. However, this does not apply to the NFA except where the ATF specifically says it does. For example, there are recoil-operated artillery pieces out there made prior to 1899 which still must be registered as DDs. Same with, say, original 1895 manufacture Colt potato digger machine guns.
  20. bigfatdave

    bigfatdave Well-Known Member

    So, why isn't anyone making a .22lr chambered miniature Gatling gun?

    Because if it doesn't have multiple barrels or it is just a crank on a semi-auto's trigger, I'm not interested. Designs that simply bolt onto existing guns/actions aren't Gatling guns, the Gatling will extract a dud round and load a new one,
    I'd pay quite a lot for a little bitty Gatling though, I've seen videos online of one, but it appeared to be a one-off ... can I have one about the size of a good spotting scope, please?

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