CentralTexas
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armoredman said:
It will be the old joke about the Texas Rangers sending one ranger to stop a riot. When question was he alone the Ranger said "Well it's just the one riot isn't it?"
CT
Getting darn serious down on the border..
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It will be the old joke about the Texas Rangers sending one ranger to stop a riot. When question was he alone the Ranger said "Well it's just the one riot isn't it?"
CT
Invade as to come on to American turf and capture/hold largs ammounts of territory in an organized manner?
No, probly not.
A strait up attack is not in their interest, and it would be easily fended off by our military if not with some militia involvement too.
Im not worried about an organized military operating on official orders. Im worried about one that hasnt been paid for a few weeks going to merc itself out for quick cash.
Drug prohibition has put alot of money in the wrong hands, it pays for alot of evil. I can see things like small and regular cross border firefights, smash and grabs, hostage taking, etc...
I can see a drug dealer paying hired guns and using them to distract border control or eliminate problematic officers and maybe even civilian spotters.
It wouldnt be a "War", just a rich criminal paying despirate soldiers to keep an illegal trade corridor open.
Hows it look on our side? Lots of people shooting at us and no military response for a law enforcement problem...
emc
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Good article here on longer term intentions on the part of the Mexicans and their fellow travelers. 
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21309
Worth reading, IMHO.
FWIW,
emc
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21309
Worth reading, IMHO.
FWIW,
emc
woerm
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Herr B Roberts
ya owe me a new keyboard
>>Not to mention you'd threaten more American reporters spraying the corner bar than you would the local newspaper office
If the Mex Army arrives north of the Rio Bravo in force
it will be met with just about everything from the CAF to the local scout troops.
result Mex will probably lose most of their northern tier of states this time. or become a few counties of TX, NM and AZ
I think we might give them back LA though in trade the gun law there closely mirror Mex's law anyway.
naa, I guess we can add some counties to CA as well.
r
ya owe me a new keyboard
>>Not to mention you'd threaten more American reporters spraying the corner bar than you would the local newspaper office
If the Mex Army arrives north of the Rio Bravo in force
it will be met with just about everything from the CAF to the local scout troops.
result Mex will probably lose most of their northern tier of states this time. or become a few counties of TX, NM and AZ
I think we might give them back LA though in trade the gun law there closely mirror Mex's law anyway.
naa, I guess we can add some counties to CA as well.
r
Tallpine,
15 bucks an hour in Mendocino county, where I live, means you are poor, very poor. The average price of a house here is over 500,000$, in Sonoma county it has topped 600K. And we aren't talking mansions either, just normal houses. Somebody making that kind of money here generally rides a cheap bike to work and lives in an aluminum house with a swamp cooler on top.
15 bucks an hour in Mendocino county, where I live, means you are poor, very poor. The average price of a house here is over 500,000$, in Sonoma county it has topped 600K. And we aren't talking mansions either, just normal houses. Somebody making that kind of money here generally rides a cheap bike to work and lives in an aluminum house with a swamp cooler on top.
longeyes
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I think you forgot the banks and local political hacks.
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Malone LaVeigh
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I argued some time ago here or on TFL, I don't remember, that it is in out best self interest to do everything we can economically to make life better for Mexicans on their side of the border. Of course, everyone accused me of being a bleeding-heart pinko. But the fact is that human nature is human nature, and market forces are real and as long as things are a lot better over here than they are over there, there will be an irresistable force pushing bodies, contraband and trouble our way. Think of it as a human analog of osmosis. Movement across a semi-permeable barrier along a gradient, in this case, of human misery. The greater the gradient, less effective is the barrier.
And what do you think this will mean to us when things REALLY hit the skids on both sides of the border? I picture Oklahoma in the 1930s with narco-terrorists replacing the local bootlegger and MS13 replacing Bonnie and Clyde.
And what do you think this will mean to us when things REALLY hit the skids on both sides of the border? I picture Oklahoma in the 1930s with narco-terrorists replacing the local bootlegger and MS13 replacing Bonnie and Clyde.
created by and to the benefit of the Mexican oligarchy.Maxwell said:
Maintained by the powers north of the border.
Artificially created by stupid laws and benefiting no one but the same players as the other two points.
longeyes
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You can't "make things better" on the Mexican side of the border so long as the same types run that country and the same social values prevail. We've been doing a lot of trade with Mexico for a long time. If they wanted to emulate us they would have. They don't lack money, they lack the desire to have the kind of society we think they should have.
The same can be said for the Middle East. How many trillions of dollars have passed through those governments? And yet 70 per cent of the people are illiterate? Why? By design, by desire.
The U.S. needs to take care of its own first--and we're not doing that good a job of doing that. Things seem "okay" now but look out a few years and see how rosy the picture really is.
The same can be said for the Middle East. How many trillions of dollars have passed through those governments? And yet 70 per cent of the people are illiterate? Why? By design, by desire.
The U.S. needs to take care of its own first--and we're not doing that good a job of doing that. Things seem "okay" now but look out a few years and see how rosy the picture really is.
They got desire, what they also have is a long term corruption sitting on their chest that will prevent any given money from having the intended effect. Its alot harder to take care of our own when our neighbors are dumping their problems on us, profiting from our misery in the drug war, and stealing what money we hand out for their improvement.
Im wondering if a controlled "kick over the anthill" approach would work better in the end.
Stop aiding the failed system, let it collapse and crush the bad eggs, then pump a bunch of high level business minded folks into key parts of their new government for long term reform.
You would have hell on the border for a few years, but at least things stand a chance of slowly getting better instead of worse.
Sindawe
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Oh, the U.S. is "taking care" of its own, make no doubt about that. The problem is that the U.S. is "taking care" of its own in the same fashion that Annakin Skywalker "took care" of the Trade Federation at the behest of his Master in the most recent Star Wars flic. By permitting large numbers of illegal aliens into the nation wages are driven down, the culture is changed and the social fabric of the nation comes to resemble that in Mexico. A few folks with LOTS AND LOTS of money sitting on top, and LOTS AND LOTS of folks with little money on the bottom, folks who are easily exploited and will take the crumbs they can get 'cause they are desperate, have families to support and bills to pay.
Sindawe
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Biker...
Thanks for the link. Yes, indeed interesting. IIRC, Frosty is located just east of me, I may have to drop him a note.
In years past, I used to find the image below rather silly. Seeing whats happening in this nation these days, its becoming to look more and more like a reasonable response.
Thanks for the link. Yes, indeed interesting. IIRC, Frosty is located just east of me, I may have to drop him a note.
$18.00/hr was VERY good money in the early 1980s. Even today, its enough for ONE person to live comfortably and still put away for a rainy day (I know 'cause its about what I earn). $7.00 is NOT.
In years past, I used to find the image below rather silly. Seeing whats happening in this nation these days, its becoming to look more and more like a reasonable response.
Interesting read Biker.
It reinforces what I already suspect, that illegal immigration is the new form of slavery and these "employers with jobs americans dont want" are addicted to the money their making from the immigrants.
...if I recall, the last broadly accepted slavery in america ended with one nasty civil war and 100+ years of continued unrest.
It reinforces what I already suspect, that illegal immigration is the new form of slavery and these "employers with jobs americans dont want" are addicted to the money their making from the immigrants.
...if I recall, the last broadly accepted slavery in america ended with one nasty civil war and 100+ years of continued unrest.
bg
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From the article emc provided above. Just isn't right. Not right at all.
Like a cancer it just keeps growing and growing.
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If these men are employed as military, it is an invasion. If it is just an armed drug gang, it is an invasion. It can be watered down and called a gang activity. It can be called a dispute among illegal immigrants. The effect is the same. ARMED FOREIGN INTRUDERS ARE CHALANGING OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ON AMERICAN SOIL. They should be resisted by all means available. If the U.S. government doesn't want to protect America then give us back OUR money so we can hire our own military.
If these men are employed as military, it is an invasion. If it is just an armed drug gang, it is an invasion. It can be watered down and called a gang activity. It can be called a dispute among illegal immigrants. The effect is the same. ARMED FOREIGN INTRUDERS ARE CHALANGING OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ON AMERICAN SOIL. They should be resisted by all means available. If the U.S. government doesn't want to protect America then give us back OUR money so we can hire our own military.
Kodiaz
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Yeah this crap makes me mad to. And this is moving up the ladder now people that went to college don't make money either. What caliber for leftist socialist elitists? Nevermind I can answer that on my own.
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The_Shootist
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Just Curious...BUT....
....when the Minuteman are down on the border are they armed? I mean, what happens if you see Mexican troops roaming across the border. Sees like a "shoot first, ask questions later" scenario.
Then let the Mexican gov't deal with the ball in THEIR court....explaining how the bodies in uniform got on the wrong side of the border.
....when the Minuteman are down on the border are they armed? I mean, what happens if you see Mexican troops roaming across the border. Sees like a "shoot first, ask questions later" scenario.
Then let the Mexican gov't deal with the ball in THEIR court....explaining how the bodies in uniform got on the wrong side of the border.
crazed_ss
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The minutemen are supposed to be observing and reporting so I doubt they'd risk their lives by firing on a humvee with a .50 cal mounted with their handguns.
Fletchette
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TallPine said:
Yet another twist on the situation. "No Taxation without Representation" can also mean, "No Representation without Taxation".
As more and more of the labor in this country is done by people who are paid cash and do not pay taxes, the less and less political clout they have. This really is the re-establishment of a slave class.
Think about it. Will a Senator care about your opinion if you make $15/hr and do not pay taxes, or will he listen to the lobbyists of multi-national corporations who give him millions?
In my opinion, way too much foreign money gets into our politics than we know. Just think of the loopholes multinational corporations can use. Is it really surprising that our government doesn't give a damn about U.S. citizens?
Malone LaVeigh
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And that's my point. Equilibrium will be reached, one way or the other. Would y'all rather it be through raising their standard of living or lowering ours? I know what Bush and his mob would prefer.
belton-deer-hunter
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here in central texas i know many bussiness that hire illegal aliens they charge the workers money to work and use fake S.S.# so that they pay taxes but never collect and this makes the government happy they collect and never pay and if anyone ever looks at the records the taxes were payed see this keeps everyoone on the up and up now that that is said you can see why big comnpanys like illegals they make money by paying cheaper wages and can make thge workers pay them to work. this not only brings down wages but also citys here my grandmother died a copule years agoi and my aunt got her house adn sold it to illegals now there are 4 or 5 cars parked out front and the house is going to the dogs (put nicely) the neighbor hood is no longer as nice as it was and i think that we jsut need to carpet bomb mexico and fix the problem for once and all
longeyes
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Too much foreign money in our politics? Well, we are all becoming foreigners to the poohbahs of D.C., whose Grand Establishment treats Americans as a colony. We are slowly transitioning from citizens to subjects.
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